[Incorrigible]

So according to Bishop Griswald, it's more "Godly" of the US to let the people of Iraq suffer under the oppression of a tyrant.  To let Saddam Hussein take the money we do give him and spend it on palaces and weapons of war than on food and medical supplies for his people.  It's better to let Iraq be a safe haven for terrorists and the suffering of ordinary Iraqi Muslims to be an inspiration for America hating by the wicked of the world.

The US is already the largest donor and the largest donor per capita of foreign aid.  Yes, some of it is to help the righteous of the world defend themselves and their freedom from an Islamic onslaught (ie Israel) with weapons and intelligence but much of it goes to education and medical assistance for which we are resented for our generosity.

I don't expect Bishop Griswald or the Pope to come out singing "Onward Christian Soldiers" (though it would be nice) but at least the Pope simply reminded the world of the principles of a Just War and didn't come out and lambaste the President and the American people who support him and his actions.

We have a right to self defense and President Bush labeling Iran, Iraq and North Korea was probably more pragmatic and prescient.

[Incorrigible]

A special bump for you. :-)

[Incorrigible]

Bump

[Sam Cree]

What the H*** is going on? Is the Episcopal Church now part of the Left? Stupid question, probably.

[dirtboy]

"I'd like to be able to go somewhere in the world and not have to apologize for being from the United States," Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold 3rd said Friday in an interview with Religion News Service.

Ask us if we really give a ****.

[EternalVigilance]

"I'd like to be able to go somewhere in the world and not have to apologize for being from the United States," Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold 3rd said Friday...

This says more about him than it does about U.S. foreign policy or about the President.

[dighton]

"I'd like to be able to go somewhere in the world and not have to apologize for being from the United States," Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold 3rd said Friday in an interview with Religion News Service.

Idiot, find some country more to your liking and STAY there.

[bobg]

I was an Eiscopalian for over 20 years. Reading about John Spong made me wonder. And then when one Rector said, "The Bible is not the word of God, but a history of man's effort to find God" I wondered more.
At a Bible conference I told this story to Fred Smith and his comment was, "No, the Bible is God's effort to find man".

Finally when my 12 year old son, on the day of his confirmation, came home from the service, and said that most of those kids all dressed in white did not believe anything, I stopped wondering and started making plans to leave. My 12 year old son really started the exodus by stating that he was going to start going to a Bible believing church.

Bishop John Spong said we had to do away with many "icons" such as the ressurection and physical body ascension.

That was almost 20 years ago and the Eiscopal church is still sliging down into meaningless.

[yendu bwam]

The Episcopal Church is not so slowly fading away. This is one of the reasons why (among many others).

[MEGoody]

"I'd like to be able to go somewhere in the world and not have to apologize for being from the United States," Presiding Bishop Frank T. Griswold"

Well, Mr. Griswold (I will withhold the title), who says you have to apologize for being from the U.S.? Get a spine and tell the jerks who demand that you do that it's not of their damn business.

Either that or move to a country where you can be 'proud'.

[retiredtexan]

The episcopal church left me 40 years ago. In the 30's and 40's I attended sunday school, confirmation classes sang in the youth choir, and served the altar until 1950.The book of common prayer was the guide to the service, but that was tossed aside.This church is on a downslide,with no stop insight.

[Chi-townChief]

Beware the false prophets!!

[egarvue]

Ahhh, the Episcopalians. Why don't they just stick to the ordination of lesbian priests and the promotion good old-fashioned anti-Christian values instead of involving themselves in world politics? Makes you pine for the good old days when Episopalians merely had to worry about whether or not the transgendered practicioner of bestiality could serve on the Potluck Committee...

[Snickersnee]

Frankly speaking, Frank old bean, I'd like to be able to walk among my fellow Christians without having to apologize for the fact the my church's Presiding Bishop is a complete moron. That's you, you know. A giant embarrassment.

[prov1813man]

Perhaps if these so-called "religious leaders" were anything more than "whited sepulchres" of political correctness they would be growing at the fantastic rate enjoyed by the evangelical protestants and their world view would be more in line with that of Christian principle than Maoist theory.

[Marysecretary]

What a joker. If the Episcopal Church doesn't shape up pretty soon, they'll be goners. Too bad. It used to be a pretty good denomination.

[colorado tanker]

I heard much the same anger and hysteria from a liberal Presbyterian preacher a couple of weeks ago. They sense they are losing power and, like Senate Democrats, they're flipping out about it.

The last Lambeth Conference the liberals from America and Britain were outvoted by pro-life conservatives from the Third World. In the Presbyterian Church, a proposal to allow gay ordination in the US was voted down 3-1. The National Council of Churches is bankrupt and ignored. They were shocked Gore lost in 2000. The loss of the Senate in 2002, Bush's popularity and upcoming war with Iraq has them apoplectic.

As their power continues to ebb and their denominations lose members, they'll get worse.

[Incorrigible]

Evening bump

[centurion316]

The Episcopal Church of the United States has gone beyond the pale. Its bishops are Apostates : they have all abandoned God and become secular humanists.

The final straw for me was when one of the Presiding Bishops predecessors denounced Gulf War I. I wonder how many collects for the President are said in parishes today? (I'm sure the good ones still do, in spite of the bishops).

[Southack]

"Speaking Sunday at the Washington National Cathedral to mark his fifth anniversary as presiding bishop, Griswold said American reluctance to spend more on AIDS in Africa is "a manifestation of evil" and a "form of sin from which we as a nation are called to repent."

Ahhh yes, if we just give a little more money then we won't be "evil" any more, right Father?!

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

Clueless putz.