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Gramsci's Grand Plan
The New American ^ | July 5, 1999 | Fr. James Thornton

Posted on 01/15/2003 3:04:47 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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1 posted on 01/15/2003 3:04:47 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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2 posted on 01/15/2003 3:06:52 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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Gramsci's signal contribution was to liberate the Marxist project from the prison of economic dogma, thereby dramatically enhancing its ability to subvert Christian society.

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It has long been my opinion that Chiistianity is easily adapted to and coopted into Marxism/socialism. It preaches a type of social servitude that can be gathered, institutionalized and eventually imposed by government. In the "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" business it instigates class hatred and resentment of those who prosper through effort. In its exhortation for unconditional love and not being judgmental it pushs people toward a condition of dangerous denial in which the basic corruption beneath the surface slogans of socialism are not recognized.

In my opinion George Bush exhibits a strong component of Christian Marxism. He is determined, for instance, to love Islam as a peaceful religion, when it is not. He issues statements that the wealth of the United States must be shared with other nations. He bears the mark of successful implementation of the theories here attributed to Gramsci.

Howl in protest over what I have said here, but it's the way the dice roll.

3 posted on 01/15/2003 3:45:58 PM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
The simple difference between Christianity and Marxism as that Christ exhorted his followers to give to the poor, while Marx exhorted his to steal from the rich. Christians believe in something Marxists never will: Free Will.
4 posted on 01/15/2003 3:49:50 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe (God Armeth The Patriot)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Christianity has been the well-spring of the ideology of Freedom, because it believes in individual free will.

Marxism does not.

Great article btw. It explains well why marxism and communism is no longer an economic issue but a cultural one and why we have so many 'culture wars' issues ... because the Cultural left has had more success than socialists at subverting our institutions.

5 posted on 01/15/2003 4:18:02 PM PST by WOSG
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To: Doug Fiedor
Gramsciphile bump!

Gramsci would have been very proud of the patient incrementalism of the Left over the past several decades. Oh, occasionally they've eagerly overreached and gotten their wrists slapped by an unready proletariat--as in the Clintons' HillCare fiasco--but generally they learn readily and execute well, and the one-way ratchet of collectivism has never slipped.
6 posted on 01/15/2003 4:21:58 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Gramsci laid out the plan for the culture war. It is being waged by the likes of Frankfurk School disciples who infest the education establishment and Fabian Socialists in the the US State Department.

We are losing without firing a shot.

Regards

J.R.
7 posted on 01/15/2003 4:30:41 PM PST by NMC EXP
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To: Tailgunner Joe
indexing
8 posted on 01/15/2003 4:40:57 PM PST by boris
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The first I ever heard of Gramsci and his profound strategies on subverting society was in Pat Buchanan's book Death of the West. Since then, I've noticed many articles regarding Gramsci posted on FR. I'm curious, who first shed light on this ignominious character? Was it Buchanan, or is it common knowledge that just happened to elude me all these years?
9 posted on 01/15/2003 5:07:58 PM PST by bob808
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To: bob808
I first heard of him while lurking on FR.
10 posted on 01/15/2003 5:08:48 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe (God Armeth The Patriot)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
While it is improbable that Huxley was familiar with Gramsci's theories, the idea he conveys of free persons marching willingly into bondage is nevertheless precisely what Gramsci had in mind.

Huxley had probably learned from Orwell, who had caught on to this in the 40's and 50's (Animal Farm, 1984, of course).

12 posted on 01/15/2003 5:46:53 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Tailgunner Joe
What is fascinating is that the average American liberal has never heard of Gramsci or the Frankfurt School, and would probably be shocked to realize the actual agenda. The phrase 'useful idiots' leaps to mind.
13 posted on 01/15/2003 6:02:41 PM PST by Artois
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To: Ohioan; junta; quebecois; Joe Hadenuf; WRhine; MacDonald14; Goetz_von_Berlichingen
Thought you gentlemen might be interested in this.
14 posted on 01/15/2003 6:04:09 PM PST by Artois
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Many thanks for posting this.
15 posted on 01/15/2003 7:25:30 PM PST by rimmont
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To: Artois
Thanks for the ping Artois. Looks interesting.
16 posted on 01/15/2003 8:08:13 PM PST by WRhine
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
One of your interests, as I recall.
19 posted on 01/15/2003 9:33:00 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are a lot of people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Gramsci just trots out the same tired old argument that "true Communism has never been tried".

All we need to do is kill a few million more "unenlightened" people, and it will be sure to work this time...

20 posted on 01/15/2003 9:52:20 PM PST by fire_eye
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To: Carry_Okie; Tailgunner Joe
Thank you very much for the ping Carry!

Tailgunner Joe thanks for posting this article.

I have links to a few other articles posted on FR.

Gramsci vs. Tocqueville or Marxism vs. the American Ideology
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a54bec871fa.htm

The Gramscian Roots of America's Culture War Thread 2 (Is Gramsci the Father of Neo-Conservatism ?)
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3bc78569bf.htm

Who is Antonio Gramsci? You Better Learn!!!
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a4c610569be.htm

YATES: "Understanding the Culture War: Gramscians, Tocquevillians and Others"
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a56d02c2a1b.htm

Original Sin
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b80051c3e46.htm

21 posted on 01/15/2003 10:06:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Impeach Gray Davis!)
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To: Platero; bob808
See the links at post #21.

If you know of other articles posted on Free Republic, let me know!

22 posted on 01/15/2003 10:10:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Impeach Gray Davis!)
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To: RLK
In my opinion George Bush exhibits a strong component of Christian Marxism. He is determined, for instance, to love Islam as a peaceful religion, when it is not. He issues statements that the wealth of the United States must be shared with other nations. He bears the mark of successful implementation of the theories here attributed to Gramsci.

Howl in protest over what I have said here, but it's the way the dice roll.

I won't go "Howlin" in protest. What you said was dead on right.

23 posted on 01/15/2003 10:14:46 PM PST by WRhine
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To: RLK
You'll hear no protest from me, even though I wish that this were not so. The implications are as dire as one can imagine.

Gramsci correctly saw that the subversion of culture and the subornation of conscience to the service of tyranny would succeed in the long run. Where Marx utterly failed to comprehend human nature, Gramsci understood it all too well.
24 posted on 01/15/2003 10:14:58 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: Platero
What today is known as PC and culture war is nothing more than Gramscian communist revisionism at work.

It sure is. PC is Marxist mind control. It strikes a very real fear in a person for speaking their mind while rewarding conformity of thought. If PC is not stamped out soon, in the next generation Marxism will never be questioned because it will be a way of life in America and the world.

25 posted on 01/15/2003 10:27:27 PM PST by WRhine
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"... the structures of the traditional family and traditional virtue have been called seriously into question and confidence in them blunted. Elected government officials and bureaucrats have contributed to this problem through government taxation policies, which mulct the traditional family while subsidizing anti-traditional modes of life.

Additionally, these officials are inclined more and more towards the elevation of abominations such as homosexual and illicit heterosexual unions to the same level as marriage. Already, in many localities throughout the country and in numerous private corporations, benefits previously reserved to married couples are now granted to unmarried sexual "partners." Even the word "family" is slowly being superseded by the vague euphemism "household."
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The CP/USA is not the communist party in our country. The communist party in America is the Democratic Party and its leader is not Daschle or Gephardt. It is Hillary Clinton. Those who maintain, with breezy self-assurance, that communism is dead or dying upon the ash heap of history do not know of what they speak.

26 posted on 01/15/2003 11:08:17 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Wow, thanks for that list Ernest.

If you want to, hit my FR homepage for some of Coyotes finest works.

As I find myself with some time on my hands, I think I'll repost a few of them just kind of for the hell of it.

Regards,

L

27 posted on 01/15/2003 11:37:53 PM PST by Lurker (One is either free or not free. You pick.)
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To: Lurker
Ah yes...Freedom Ain't Yours To Give
You, indeed, have some oldies. I'm looking forward to seeing what else you've bookmarked.
28 posted on 01/16/2003 4:01:58 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Tailgunner Joe
A big BTTT
29 posted on 01/16/2003 4:02:44 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I believe that most human beings have an internal gyroscope. It is true that many can be seduced and subverted FOR A WHILE by the Gramscian conspiracy.

But eventually the very traits that Gramsci set out to subvert, religious faith, love of family, love of country, reassert themselves.

Look at where the vitality is in our society. Fundamentalist Christianity is far more vibrant than the Protestant sects that promote "social justice." Radical feminism, and it's assault on the family, is a force that more and more women are turning away from, or at least, reconsidering. The shock of 9/11 has reawakened love of country in ALL the classes, large portions of the elites as well as the people.

After doing much damage to a society, the culture of death.....dies.
30 posted on 01/16/2003 5:42:20 AM PST by ricpic
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To: Lurker
bookmark bump
31 posted on 01/16/2003 7:00:21 AM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: RLK
[George W. Bush] is determined, for instance, to love Islam as a peaceful religion, when it is not.

I believe you're mistaken. I suspect that our president knows Islam for what it is, but is determined to pursue a foreign policy inoffensive to Islam-dominated foreign powers, so as to isolate our present enemies. The alternative is to face open war against a coalition of Islamic states... a quite likely scenario for a hypothetical WWIII.

It's best to not go there, if we can help it.

32 posted on 01/16/2003 7:28:32 AM PST by Oberon
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To: Oberon
I agree with your comments about Bush!
33 posted on 01/16/2003 8:40:40 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Impeach Gray Davis!)
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To: Artois
Yes thank you. The Right crows about such small victories it leaves me to believe that for the most part those who claim leadership in the conservative movement are just happy to get a paycheck. Remember when Weyrich wrote an article claiming that the party is over (after the Clinton removal failure) and we have lost our country to the Gramscians he was pummled by the New York and D.C. Right. It seemed to me that the people doing the pummeling of Weyrich were upset that he could ruin their little enteprises. (that was my take of the whole episode).
34 posted on 01/16/2003 9:07:41 AM PST by junta
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To: Tailgunner Joe
bump
35 posted on 01/16/2003 9:09:25 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Shivers! It's hard to look around and not see Gramsci at work.

When Soviet-style communism collapsed of its own weight, most of those populations continued on. I have a hunch if we wait for this Gramscian model to disintegrate, there won't be many people left to put the pieces back together.

38 posted on 01/16/2003 9:58:50 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: Platero
I could not have siad it better myself and I'm not as educated as most of you folks are in this forum, nevertheless I'd like to offer my opinion.

You Just Did! Excellent Post Platero. You have a very profound understanding of PC and the insidious ongoing Culture War being waged by the Marxists in our midst.

PC started out as a euphemism for intimidation that has evolved into a modern day form of doublethink, in which the mind of the individual is manipulated (through fear and intimidation) whereby the person is no longer saying what he thinks (classical doublethink), but he thinks the oppositeof what is true. PC forces the individual to surrender his independence of thought, critical thinking process and integrity completely, so that 1 + 2 = 5 or slavery is freedom. The person at this point feels free because he no longer feels any discrepancy between what is true and what what is untrue.

The PC process keeps on evolving and engulfing the whole Western civilization, and it won't reach its apex until it culminates into an era of dehumanization and alienation, not until the individual acts and behaves like an automaton, like a machine, completely devoid of righteousness and sense of guilt.

39 posted on 01/16/2003 11:20:10 AM PST by WRhine
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks again Joe for this posting. I ran across the article in "The New American", did the FR search and here I am.

The applicability of Gramscian thought to the destruction of America's culture cannot be understated.
40 posted on 01/07/2006 4:31:04 PM PST by plsjr (one of His <><)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Bump.

This should be posted annually on FR.


41 posted on 02/10/2008 8:40:57 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

bttt


42 posted on 10/23/2010 5:29:43 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

What You Should Know About Progressives

Once upon a time there lived a noted Italian communist named Antonio Gramsci who had major problems with how Karl Marx hoped to achieve his communist goals. Gramsci believed that using violent revolution to achieve their goal was the wrong way to go about it in literate western societies like the U.S. because they would not support violence to the degree necessary to take over the control of the government. Instead he came up with a new scheme to achieve the goal. His ideas were so contrary to the fascist government of Italy that he spent most of his adult life as a political prisoner where he and his philosophy became a cult figure to the European communists and many U.S. politicians and the so-called intelligentsia of our colleges and universities.

So how come we haven’t heard much about him? Well it is just not politically expedient to mention the name of a noted communist but many of his ideas have become a major goal of the Democratic Party insiders who have discussed and adopted many of these ideas in closed door sessions among the party elite and have become in vogue among the leftist. Balderdash, you say? Ok, let’s look at some of those ideas that Gramsci had and how they have become successful in the U.S. today.
Gramsci understood what Marx did not understand, that economic crises by themselves would not subvert capitalism, because capitalism always managed to overcome the crises and emerge stronger. Gramsci realized the importance of culture and ideology among the masses of western society. By using methods such as the mass media which were subtle and persuasive you could gain the minds of the people and if you had the minds you would also have the bodies.

Gramsci knew that the bond between the rulers and the ruled was what keeps western society together and this bond created the “hegemony.” The problem, he saw, was how to break this “hegemony” and change the minds or the popular consensus, and to change the way institutions work. In short, to make the people question the right of their leader to rule in the accepted way.

To accomplish this requires a whole new system of values, beliefs, and morality. A system where the individuals conformed because the media tells them that is really the only acceptable way to believe because it was fair to all. If one believed differently, then they would be ostracized as “extreme” and uncaring. To accomplish this goal of creating “guilt” he suggested using the traditional intellectuals as “organic intellectuals” that grow with society and becomes its thinking and organizing element. Their role is to act as informal educators in local communities and become one of “us,” not some distant intellectual who is above the rest of us. Of course he included the “idols” of the entertainment world to bolster the effect of the intellectuals.

Once these “organic organizers” which today we call “community organizers” have gained the trust of society they can move on to their second goal of using the schools to perpetuate their ideals. By controlling the schools they can control the curriculum and gain the trust of the children and young adults and mold them into their beliefs.

Finally, once fully organized they could use these people (educators, students, and recent graduates) to engage in incessant political activity and use massive methods of communication. No violent takeover, just unrelenting propaganda to produce a constant clash for supremacy of ideas and a patient but persistent subversion of the building blocks of the old established society. They use “guilt” as the major reason on why you should change your mind

If you look around and listen to the dialog in the media and even small groups you hear things like, “You shouldn’t be so judgmental.”, “You are acting intolerant.”, “That’s stereotyping.”, or the worst, “That’s racist”. What it means in Gramsci terms is, “You must accept our values and not argue. If you don’t then you are not in the mainstream and not using common sense.” Now you know where political correctness comes from!

One might ask why we have schools that push a particular curriculum and seem to ignore parents, why some school budget items make available funds for incredible courses, and why the teacher unions don’t seem to represent the teachers’ true interests. Why have churches become political discourse centers instead of their main purpose? Why do we have a lot of different civil associations that have goals that are destructive and divisive to society as a whole? Why does the media operate as propaganda machines for a certain candidate or ideology rather than just reporting the events?

Gramsci knew the importance of using perceived minorities to create guilt in the masses. The media constantly reminds us of the plight of women, ethnic minorities, gays, and other victims of cultural hegemony. Schools even spend considerable time indoctrinating students in proper speech and thought control and in some cases give college credits for discussion groups on these subjects. They want the students to use this indoctrinated “guilt” against the old school adults so they come around to this newthink. In other words make us feel like we so far out of the mainstream that we are the extremists not them. They even take these things into the courtrooms of our nation. The federal “Violence Against Women Act” produced a Supreme Court case in which a 10-year-old boy was charged with harassing a fifth-grade female classmate.

The modern Gramscians in the U.S. have taken over a once great political party using the guilt of slavery and the apartheid that evolved from it until the 1960’s to corrupt your mind, body, and soul. Through their newspeak and newthink they have slowly tried to discard traditional beliefs that made this country the greatest and most powerful country of all time...A country where the individual freedom and standard of living is so high that millions of immigrants from most of the countries in the world risk their lives and fortunes to live here.

There is hope however. We must keep a balance of power in our government. The leftists hate our true strength which is the division of power, congressional, executive, and judicial, including the local and state governments, and especially the Electoral College. The Electoral College give all states a more equal footing in the executive branch of government. It helps to protect our individual rights from the collective rights of the major minorities. In a country where over 40% of the adults pay no income taxes at all and a large percentage of people work for the government one might ask who is the majority.

For the Gramsci leftists to win they will wage a war of attrition to wear us down. For us to win we must understand their tactics and stop them in their tracks. Of course voting for the anti-leftists is important but between elections we must get involved and take back the organizations and functions of government that they have infiltrated. Go read about what they are really up to in alternate media. The Internet is a Godsend for researching topics. Find out things like what a past major candidate wrote her college thesis about (Hint: The praise of a noted socialist union organizer in Chicago), find out what organizations the young politicians belonged to in their college days, stop the guilt feeling today for supposed activities of the distant past that that you had nothing to do with, and stand up for the conventional values that your parents should have instilled in you.

Don’t get me wrong, we still must have compassion for the have-nots and disabled people but let’s give them a hand up and not just hand-outs. We can win them over to our side by doing the right thing and helping them to become a have-some instead of them harboring envy because they are have-nots. Change can be good but to change as the result of newspeak and newthink propaganda is bad.

We must always remember what made this country, what it is, and what Jefferson and our fore fathers meant when they wrote the “Declaration of Independence”:

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government...”

When Jefferson stated, “all men are created equal” he didn’t mean guaranteed equality for life with no effort, he meant to begin as an equal—to have an equal opportunity under the law. To fix the contest so everyone finishes equal is to deny human nature. To deny nature is to insure our doom.

I am posting my too long blog entry here because we need to keep this thread alive and let the uninformed understand where “Obamagov” has its roots.


43 posted on 11/14/2010 10:15:19 PM PST by jerryel
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To: jerryel

Knowledge of Gramsci and and his schemes should be common, it isn’t. The left has been far more effective at public education than we have, simply by branding us as radicals or comspiracy nuts when we speak out.


44 posted on 11/15/2010 2:49:02 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

*bump for later*


45 posted on 11/15/2010 2:55:07 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Unfortunately 99% of the press is our enemy. I have tried sending the above to “letters to the editor” in newspapers and the only one that even replied said it was too “in your face” and “antagonistic”. Yet, they daily print the drivel of the “progressives” attacking the Tea Party with sexual slurs or anyone who disagrees with them.

It’s discouraging but I see a ray of hope since the recent elections. Maybe, just maybe, the American citizens are starting to wise up.


46 posted on 11/15/2010 1:30:01 PM PST by jerryel
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To: jerryel
That this discussion is still going since 1999 is a testament to its vitality. Gramsci certainly seems to be the inspiration for Rules for Radicals. However, we should not overstate his role. E.g., Malthus and Sanger were out there there propagandizing to the beat the band long before Gramsci came along. His theories, however, do put their roles as "organic intellectuals" in perspective.

Moreover, the values in conflict today are more nuanced than appears on the surface: Marxist, bourgeois, radical Christian, capitalist, traditional American, and various admixtures of these and probably more (e.g., bourgeois Christianity, Liberation theology).

What does seem to be emerging is a deeper appreciation for the role of the "organic intellectual" in working toward a new synthesis of traditional values for our time -- when some of our most important institutions have become thoroughly corrupt. The explosion of popular dialogue via the internet holds both the risk of a new Tower of Babel and the promise of renewal -- unless Mark Steyn's Armageddon gets here first.

But first we have to deal with the immediate crisis and the likelihood that Obama isn't as dumb as he seems, and that the collapse of our society into economic chaos is, in fact, the pre-determined goal of the left. It certainly fits Marxist theory.

Our most serious enemy, however, is not them, but "us" -- as Pogo once so wisely warned. If America goes down for the count, it will be primarily because of our own apathy and unwillingness to risk "our lives, our honor, and our sacred fortunes" -- as the founding fathers did -- to save it.

As a researcher, I predicted the current crisis as early as 1995 through 1998, and even got the dates right -- starting in 2000 through 2010 and very likely 2020 -- all based on demographics, and not the ups and downs of the stock market. But relatively few listened.

I keep asking: How can we possibly have prosperity with a 43% decline in the birth rate since 1960 and 54.5 million abortions since Colorado legalized it in 1967? Cutting taxes and reducing spending can only moderate the noise we make when we hit bottom. It will take massive renewal of personal responsibility to prevent it.

Basically, we've eliminated at least 30% of our under-45 generation,and yet most people don't want to read the suicidal message on the wall. And now we want to kick the can down the road and send the bill to the under-45'ers. When they wake up to that, there will be hell to pay.

Obama didn't start this one, yet Planned Parenthood still has the active support of Congress and a whole bunch of bourgeois Republicans as well as all of those pandering Democrats. No thanks to Gramsci, we're headed off the cliff with our foot on the gas pedal, and few seem to care.

For more info ck out: http://tinyurl.com/dc8skx
47 posted on 09/07/2011 10:49:07 AM PDT by MBA4Life ("The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
The first phase in achieving "cultural hegemony" over a nation is the undermining of all elements of traditional culture. Churches are thus transformed into ideology-driven political clubs, with the stress on "social justice" and egalitarianism, with worship reduced to trivialized entertainment, and with age-old doctrinal and moral teachings "modernized" or diminished to the point of irrelevancy. Genuine education is replaced by "dumbed down" and "politically correct" curricula, and standards are reduced dramatically. The mass media are fashioned into instruments for mass manipulation and for harassing and discrediting traditional institutions and their spokesmen. Morality, decency, and old virtues are ridiculed without respite. Tradition-minded clergymen are portrayed as hypocrites and virtuous men and women as prudish, stuffy, and unenlightened.

It has been nearly 10 years since Tailgunner Joe posted this thread. Read the above and compare those statements to what we are witnessing today in the US.

48 posted on 01/31/2013 6:01:01 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: bob808
I first heard of him back in the seventies in a European History course while we were focused on WWI.

It's been many a year, but as I recall he was mentioned due to the influence he had in Italian anti-War circles that were working to undermine the war effort. I'm not sure, but I think he wrote or was quoted in some of the leaflets they passed out encouraging troops to desert or go on strike the way some French units did.

I'm positive he used to be mentioned in several European History courses and someone I knew had to read all about him for one of their courses, but what they call History has changed so much since the seventies that I doubt they bother with the amount of detail that used to be the norm. Now, apparently, they go over various "psychological factors" and sociology while ignoring individuals who made a difference as much as possible.

49 posted on 01/31/2013 7:08:52 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: MBA4Life
"When they wake up to that, there will be hell to pay."

Most of the folks I know in that age group are already well aware of where things are headed.

Even the idiot leftists know it, they just have had it drummed into their little skulls that the only way to deal it is to be more like Europeans socialists. Now that the EU is going to fall apart over being so Socialist, maybe maybe some of them will wake up. They just can't grasp that just like there isn't always a handy suburban community for a city full of spenders to take over to shore up their tax base, there aren't always economically robust countries to make a "union" with in order to rescue a nation full of reckless spenders.

The thing that amazes me is that there were people talking about the consequences of reducing population growth way back in the seventies and no one cared. I forget the name of the guy, but Buckley had someone on his Sunday show that was saying SS had to be means tested with the income used for the test indexed to inflation way back when Carter was "saving SS" for us. People laughed at the guy because, "oh, population growth will never slow down that much".

50 posted on 01/31/2013 7:24:22 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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