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To: Petronski; netmilsmom; The Old Hoosier; mc5cents; toenail; madprof98; Romulus; xsmommy; hobbes1; ...
Your Pope finally said everything that we have prayed for, complained about, and carped on and on, without coming up for a breath, and what do we do, find something more to complain about!! What a shame that we got exactly what we asked for, amoral politicians, yes, and democratically elected amoral politicians at that. These despots where not appointed by the Vatican, but you would think they where by the level of discord displayed on this and too many other threads.

This is not the priest problem, this problem with hypocritical representatives are the sole responsibility of the members of our own family, friends and neighbors in this great country. These elected representatives are defiling our culture, our country, and our churches.

                Church; a religious body, a body or organization of religious believers: as a : the whole body of Christians.

Our churches family and neighbors, as well as our leaders need us now for more than critics and complainers. The Pope has clearly spoken the unambiguous words and the wrongdoers will hear what he said, but they will need a shove to get the word, not in the afterlife, but here on this planet. I don't give a damn whether these fools go to Hell, I am just sick and tired of what the wicked politicians are causing me Hell on earth.

The Vatican told Catholic politicians on Thursday they must oppose laws on abortion, euthanasia and gay marriages and can not accept compromises on Church teachings when formulating policy or legislation.
I guess the rest is up to us!
56 posted on 01/16/2003 10:12:10 PM PST by carlo3b (Tell your kids you love them today, tomorrow may be too late....)
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To: carlo3b
Amen.
60 posted on 01/17/2003 2:29:56 AM PST by Claire Voyant ((visualize whirled peas))
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To: carlo3b
very well said.
61 posted on 01/17/2003 4:12:14 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: carlo3b
The Vatican told Catholic politicians on Thursday they must oppose laws on abortion, euthanasia and gay marriages and can not accept compromises on Church teachings when formulating policy or legislation. I guess the rest is up to us!

You're wrong, carlo3b. The rest is up to the Pope and the Vatican. Just telling these feckless and spineless politicians will accomplish just about nothing - unless the Pope starts to demand consequences - withholding of the Eucharist, and excommunication, as an example. The problem is, the Church leadership has always been so, oh so afraid, to really confront society (and itself) on its immoratlities. That's why the Church can't even talk about true Christian sexual morality anymore (and we have a couple of thousand homosexually molested teenage boys at the hands (and other parts) of PRIESTS), never mentions contraception, is allowing divorce for just about anything, has eased up on the sacrament of reconciliation, etc. etc. etc. Let's see the Pope put some muscle behind his constant declarations. I'm not holding my breath. Our Church is far, far too in bed (and often literally) with society.

64 posted on 01/17/2003 5:24:39 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: carlo3b; Coleus; xsmommy; dubyaismypresident
. These despots where not appointed by the Vatican,

BUT....As long as they are not excommunicated, they illegitimately trade on their Catholicism for votes......

The Vatican has a Duty to God just as its followers due, nay, even moreso, as 'The more one is given, the more that is expected' the Pope has the mantle of Catholic authority, and if Boxer,Daschle, Kennedy,McGreevy etc..Keep trying to Actively push the leftist (which is it's own Man Centered Reliogion) agenda on American Society, excommunication would go a long way toward setting things right,

Or...at the very least, Ordering the American heirarchy to begin teaching Moral Doctrine from the Pulpit. In this day and age the only Churches teaching Black And White Morality for the most art, are the ones offering Tridentine Mass. Most (Not All, But most) of the rest are staffed with avowed leftists, who turn a blind eye to abortion, and the denigration of marriage.

65 posted on 01/17/2003 5:26:00 AM PST by hobbes1 ( Vescere bracis meis)
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