Church's sign has Muslims outraged -''Jesus Forbade Murder. Muhammad Approved Murder. Surah 8:65.''

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[Hodar]

Chose them from the New Testament, if you will please (we'll be waiting for your answer).

Can you not read? Are you incapable of reason? The point is, if anyone choses verses from a book (any book!!) as single sentences (ie. verses) one can argue any point one wishes. And, why is it that you are demanding that I limit myself from which section of the bible I may chose from, and you don't feel compelled to limit your selection? I am not islamic, and am not defending Islam. My point is that this sign is an abuse of the freedom of speech, designed for the single purpose of insulting a group of people. I do believe that our counstitution garantees freedom of religon, and forbids discrimination based upon religon. Or is that just when it's convenient?

[Hodar]

Islam is a gutter religion made by criminals for criminals and support Arab cultural supremacy over everything.

And I have said nothing to counter your belief. In fact, I agree. My statements are to the effect of using single verses (from any book) taken without context to make a point.

[Guillermo]

Yes, and the NT is the fullfillment of OT law.

The fulfillment is what Christianity is based on.

If you think Jesus came to earth to preach hatred, death and world domination (like Mohammed did), you're sorely mistaken.

[headsonpikes]

Kum bay yah.

There is nothing wrong with mocking superstition.

[carolina rebel]

I would just suggest that you do some more studying of the Bible... there is a Old Testament and a New Testament, Jesus came to fullfill the law and replace the beliefs of the old testament with the word of his Father.
The Koran was just dictated to Mohammad by God, Therefore there is no seperation in time or thought.
Please do some studing before you propose to pontificate.

[Centurion2000]

Please refer me to the Islamic site that posts these texts, supposedly from the Koran

Hardcover edition sitting on my shelf at home. Translated by Ahmed Ali from the original Arabic and certified by the Saidi Arabian government as a true and accurate translation.

Signed by Hafiz 'Abd-al-Rauf Research and registration officer, Department of Auqaf, Sind.

[AppyPappy]

Good question

Where, in the Bible, did Jesus support genocide?

<< crickets >>

[AppyPappy]

In the case of Hodar, there are none so blind as those that will not see.

[Centurion2000]

And I have said nothing to counter your belief. In fact, I agree. My statements are to the effect of using single verses (from any book) taken without context to make a point.

The problem is that we don't have room for the entire book and that the sentences so listed are representative of it.

If everyone here read the Koran, they would realize that it is an evil religion. Christianity, while it may have a bloody history has matured and does not advocate violence. Islam still is in it's 11th century forms.

[carolina rebel]

The ten commandments was a basis for Judism, ie before Christ.
Just shows we need to attend Sunday School, eh?

[Bob Z.]

>>>And I have said nothing to counter your belief. In fact, I agree. My statements are to the effect of using single verses (from any book) taken without context to make a point.<<<

Simple. Let me help you then. Take the verse, put it back in its context(the entire Koran), show us verses which clearly show that to treat the enemies of Islam with love and respect is the way to go; how to convert you simply prosthelytize and not force by sword. Line up those verses one by one

With the context, please.

Show how that contexrt clearly changes the meaning.

Then show how this "peace" was practiced in history (with Mohammed), and is being done today in such places as the Phillipines, South America, Africa, the Middle East, Russia, Israel......ad nauseum.

Oughtta be easy for the "religion of peace", no?

His, (STILL the Prince of PEACE)
Bob Z.

[HarryDunne]

The heart of the issue is: which will help you bring more people to Christ: spreading hatred or by spreading empathy and understanding. I'm not talking about blindly embracing another religion, I'm talking about being neighbor to those of different faiths. This sign alienates would-be converts.

Or is that not the issue at hand?

[ActionNewsBill]

Or may a Muslum plaster a single incriminating verse on a billboard as this pastor did?

Of course he can.

[Guillermo]

That's a good question.

As a matter of fact, I have asked Muslims (online, in chat rooms, message boards), who told me that I was taking their verses out of context, to contextualize them for me.

They never could.

Ultimately, they had to admit they wanted the entire world (Not just the U.S.) under Muslim/Koranic rule.

[HarryDunne]

What's your basis for that?

[Concerned]

GEIST KRIEGER WROTE: "Jesus died for our sins. Muhammad would have you die for yours's"

Good point! Maybe even better, though, would be to say:

"Jesus died for our sins. Muhammad would have you die for his."

[laotzu]

"I see no good coming from deliberately trying to insult another religion"

I am niether christian, nor muslim.

The phrase 'another religion' denotes (to me) a cultural equivalance. No such equivalance exists. The Islamic world is backwards, totalitarian, and evil. Let's not fear being clear on this.

[carolina rebel]

You prove the point, you don't know the Bible and the difference between the Old and New Testaments.

[Bob Z.]

I disagree with the Pastor's tactics (he is a fool).......and I also stand by my stance that the verse is not "being taken out of context".

All we are all saying is show us where the context changes the meaning, nothing more.

We (and you) both know you can not. We just admit it.

Islam IS the epitome of an evil religion, this pastor aside. Unless you can show from the Quran and history both otherwise.

His,
Bob Z.

[HarryDunne]

We just admit it.

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