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To: RnMomof7
Is [Mary] the Mother of God the Father?

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." [John 10:27-30]

Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, `Show us the Father'? [John 14:9]

"..[H]ow is it that the Mother of the Lord [mater tou kyrios, mater tou Kyrios] comes to me?" (Luke 1:42-43).
Among the Jews the name of God was not spoken, but a substitution was made to preserve respect. By convention when translating Hebrew and its sister language Aramaic into Greek, such as in the Greek Old Testament   (Septuagint) used to evangelize Greek-speaking Jews and gentiles, the word substituted for God's name was Kyrios, Kyrios,, which we translate as "Lord". This was in lieu of I AM, Christ's use of which for Himself would later scandalized the Jews. Elizabeth... call[ed] the fruit of Mary's womb, "the Lord", with all the meaning which the Jews attributed to it and which the Catholic Church continues to understand of the Word-made-flesh in Mary's womb. [Source]

Which of the following statements is untrue, RnMom?

1. Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary is the mother of Jesus.

2. Jesus is 100% God.

If you answered 1 or 2 or both, you are not a Christian. But if you believe that both are true, then you have to admit that Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary is the mother of God. Logically, there's nowhere else to go.

There's just no way out of it. The Blessed Virgin Mary is the Mother of God. And, like any mother, she loves you, RnMom, very much, and wants to help you.

Why not let her?

51 posted on 01/20/2003 9:29:45 PM PST by B-Chan (May Our Lady of Lourdes intercede for you!)
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To: B-Chan
Does God have a mother or is He eternal? Are you a Mormon?
52 posted on 01/20/2003 9:37:42 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: B-Chan
How does this jive with God being the alpha and omega?

And are we just playing a word game here?

What would the implications on salvation be in light of Mary being the mother of God? or any point/topic relating to a Christian.

55 posted on 01/20/2003 9:50:33 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: B-Chan

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jer 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. Jer 44:18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. Jer 44:19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

The Queen of Heaven, if you check in most any commentary, is none other than Ishtar, Ashtoreth, or Astarte the very pagan goddess that Israel worshipped when they fell into apostasy and paganism-

56 posted on 01/20/2003 9:54:50 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: B-Chan
So Mary existed before God the father?

Mary IS the physical mother of God..no denial on that..BUT she was a vessel..nothing more..she is not god or a god.

.My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." [John 10:27-30]

Ready to discuss election and eternal security?

Or do you prefer to cherry pick your scriptures:>)

104 posted on 01/21/2003 9:14:34 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Mar 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?)
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