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"TR: An American Lion" on History Channel NOW (9 pm EST)
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Posted on 01/20/2003 6:03:01 PM PST by condi2008

Starting this evening on the History Channel and being repeated a few times later this week. One of my "Top 2" Presidents!


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1 posted on 01/20/2003 6:03:01 PM PST by condi2008
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To: condi2008
The show will air again at 1:00AM EST tonight. That is past my bedtime, but I will tape it. I suspect that this show will repeat later in the week or this weekend.
2 posted on 01/20/2003 6:16:55 PM PST by PetroniDE
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To: condi2008
>>>One of my "Top 2" Presidents!

Whose #1?

3 posted on 01/20/2003 6:33:20 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Kuleana
The show is great. On the other hand TR gave us the worst president in our history.
5 posted on 01/20/2003 6:49:12 PM PST by Engine82
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To: Reagan Man
It would have to be #40; the current one, or the next one:


6 posted on 01/20/2003 6:54:38 PM PST by condi2008 (Pro Libertate)
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To: condi2008

We shall see.

7 posted on 01/20/2003 7:17:48 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: nicollo
Are you watching?
8 posted on 01/20/2003 7:33:38 PM PST by x
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Thanks for the ping. I don't have cable. I saw the promos for it running around the show on my limousine book. Did you see that one, btw? I re-wrote their script to give Taft a plug.

What have they to say of my man?
9 posted on 01/20/2003 7:42:46 PM PST by nicollo
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To: x
Is this the Morris history of TR?
10 posted on 01/20/2003 8:00:05 PM PST by nicollo (Plenty of good; lots of bad, too. Careful!)
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To: condi2008
Any man who gets shot in the chest and still makes his speaking engagement has my vote!
11 posted on 01/20/2003 8:09:57 PM PST by Yasotay
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To: Yasotay
That's exactly what happened. TR's "numbers" (in the modern parlance) were on the down when he was shot. The shooting moved the nation's sympathy to him, and was the single most effective part of his campaign.

It was, of course, entirely unrelated to the radicalism that he was preaching. I'm certain that you would not subscribe to the insanities he preached, such as "direct democracy," which was the essence of his campaign. It was foolish.
12 posted on 01/20/2003 8:13:01 PM PST by nicollo
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To: condi2008
Ecccchhhhh. Too many comments by Bill Clinton. Although I did enjoy seeing what some of TR's present-day descendants look like.
13 posted on 01/20/2003 8:16:05 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: nicollo
Almost nothing said about Taft tonight, only alluded to as TR's 'handpicked successor' whom TR would eventually undermine. Second part tomorrow night.
14 posted on 01/20/2003 8:18:32 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: shhrubbery!
Oh, Jesus, they brought in x42? That says it all. Thanks for the update.
15 posted on 01/20/2003 8:22:32 PM PST by nicollo
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To: nicollo
I don't know about you, but I was tought in school that TR was a "great" President.

After my own independant study, I think TR stunk. A Socialist, class-warfare blowhard.
16 posted on 01/20/2003 10:05:22 PM PST by motzman ("Looney Insightful Linguist")
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To: nicollo
I couldn't watch much. I hope to see more later. President Bush introduces the program. Edward Herrmann, whose career got started playing FDR, narrates, and Richard Dreyfuss reads TR's words, which is not such a good idea, because I always think of the Saturday Night Live impersonations of Dreyfuss whenever I hear him talk. Though now that Mel Blanc is dead, Dreyfuss is a good choice if they want to make TR sound like Daffy Duck.

The show is a mixture of old photos, films, and graphics with reenactments by a TR impersonator and words from various talking heads: Morris and his wife, professors, Governor Pataki, Clinton (yes, Bill Clinton), and various Roosevelt decendants. It looked very good -- or rather it is very good for the basic information and the scholars contribute a lot, too. The look of the film is its chief drawback: too many sudden transitions between color and black and white, too many blurry shots, too much jerky camera motion, too many giant labels identifying scholars whose names aren't so important. So I wish the director had taken lessons from Ken Burns, but I definitely want to see more. And the limo show, too.

Sorry I can't help with the content more. I'll get back to you in a few days when I've seen more. One thing I did notice. TR looked to be pretty fat by today's standards, both the actor and the President himself. I don't think he'd pass muster as the picture of vitality today.

I can recommend PBS's Chicago, City of the Century series, though. Fascinating look at old Chicago lore. It peeved me though that, unless PBS is holding back some episodes for the next fundraising, the century in question ends in 1893. PBS will also be having a documentary on the transcontinental railroad next week or so.

17 posted on 01/20/2003 10:45:51 PM PST by x
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To: condi2008
OMG!!! U say that TR is one of your favorite Pressidents? Lord, help us....he was one of our nation's first "Progressive" (SOCIALIST) Presidents; he got us into a war w/ Spain; he placed thousands of square miles of western & State territory into Federal hands; he vastly increased the size of the Federal Regulatory State....sure, he said a lot of great soundbites & was tough as nails, but Constitutionally, his policies were a disaster to the idea of limited government & the rights of States. Personally, I wouldn't shed a tear if TR's & Lincoln's faces were blown off of Mt. Rushmore & replaced with JAMES MADISON & ROBERT E. LEE.
18 posted on 01/21/2003 12:35:59 AM PST by libertyman
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To: nicollo
OK you are right ....but I'm still impressed with his taking a bullet (even though his speech probably saved him...)
19 posted on 01/21/2003 6:27:55 PM PST by Yasotay
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To: Yasotay
Oh, no question it was a brave, almost heroic act. And no question it played well in the press. And no question that it was exploited by Roosevelt.

One cannot blame him for taking advantage of it. He can also be credited for not blaming Taft or anyone for the attack. He might have, and I wouldn't be surprised had he done it. Some wanted him to.

In the end, though, the shooting was his best publicity, not his ideas, which stunk.
20 posted on 01/21/2003 7:45:21 PM PST by nicollo
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