'Oldest Star Chart' Found (32,500 Years Old)

BBC ^ | 1-21-2003 | Dr. David Whetstone

[blam]

Okay thanks son. Makes sense.

I finally got the book I ordered at Christmas Voyages Of The Pyramid Builders, by Dr Robert Schoch, geologist/geophysicist who has dated the Sphinx at 10k yo. He begins the book with the 'Mummies of Urumchi', the Caucasian mummies in China (The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummies). That's a hot button with me.
Also, apparently the Egyptian pyramids did use some type mortar on the inside blocks and they have carbon dated weeds/reeds and wood chips in the mortar, the dates are older than published data indicate....and, they are older at the top than at the bottom.(?) Schoch speculates that they used materials from earlier structures to build the larger pyramids and that they have been repaired many times.

[blam]

Please put this in the GGG files, thanks.

[edwin hubble]

"Remember that Neanderthal was still around at this time. "

A student asked me in a lecture once (after a review of early astronomy up through Hipparcus of Rhodes ). "Who discovered the big dipper?"

I said (without any documentation whatsoever): The first pre-human who raised up from his/her knuckles and looked at the night sky.

Well, here we are.

[blam]

"Well, here we are."

Well...this is just the first to write it down.

[farmfriend]

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[norton]

Could be..?

at 32,000 years, a sword ain't the likely candidate.

I've always felt that the sword thing was kind of nice.

Also makes it easier for boy scouts to earn their astronomy merit badge.

On the other hand, making up alternatives to "the sword of Orion" can be fun if you're stoned.

[Cultural Jihad]

I doubt that this doctor is right in his assessment. The fact that Orion is seen as a hunter comes from Greek mythology. Other cultures saw other figures in the same night sky. Even looking at something which hasn't changed for millions of years, such as the so-called "man in the moon," other cultures see a rabbit, or some other object or figure.

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In Malaysia some people believed that the man in the moon was a hunchback sitting under a banyan tree making a fishing line. The line was being eaten at the other end by a rat. That was a good thing; for if the man were to finish his line, he would use it to fish everything on Earth up to the moon.

The people of Rantum, a tiny island community off the northwestern coast of Germany, associated the man in the moon with the tides. They believed that the man was a giant who caused the tide to come in by bending over to scoop up lunar waters, which he poured onto the Earth. When he stood erect and rested from his work, the water flowed back, and the tide ebbed.

In New Guinea it was believed that the surface of the moon looked like the finger marks of boys who tried to steal the moon from an old woman who kept it in a pot. When the boys opened the pot, they tried to grab the moon, but it escaped.

In the Cook Islands it is said that the moon’s surface looks like a girl making tapa. Tapa is a paper-like cloth made by pounding the inner bark of the paper mulberry tree. The stones holding down the tapa are visible; and when the girl pushes the stones aside, it thunders.

An Iroquois (native North American) story says the marks on the moon’s surface belong to a woman banished because of her constant complaining that she could not prophesy the end of the world. There she sits and weaves while her cat sits beside her. Once a month she puts down her weaving to stir a pot of boiling maize. When she does this, her cat undoes all her weaving so that she has to start all over again.

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[Cultural Jihad]

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According to Secrets of the Night Sky (Bob Berman, William Morrow &Co, 1995) the ancient Sumerians saw in this star pattern a sheep. The name Betelgeuse literally means "the armpit"; in case of the Sumerians it meant "the armpit of the sheep."

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[Cultural Jihad]

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The Hindus once called him Praja-pati, meaning "the Stag." The stag was said to be chasing his own daughter, Aldebaran, but was killed by an arrow shot by Sirius. The arrow can be seen sticking into the stag as Orion's belt stars.

In ancient China, Orion formed part of a larger constellation recognized as the White Tiger.

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[gitmo]

The item on the right looks like a recap that came off someone's cart.

[JasonC]

Oh it is just horsefeathers. I mean look at the dang thing. There isn't the slightest hint of a suggestion of stars or constellations involved. It is entirely made up. There is no reason whatever to assume anyone, 30000 years before the Greeks called a dozen bright dots a hunter, thought of those dozen as separated out of any other bright dozen or related to a human figure. It is completely imposed on the object by the investigator.

[Cultural Jihad]

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Of course, some cultures had other ideas. In South America he was sometimes an alligator-like cayman or a turtle.

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[Cultural Jihad]

Oh, look! Here's a star chart of the Pleides, the "Seven Sisters" found in Baja, Mexico!

[dljordan]

Hey! I'm from Tennessee, don't talk about my ancestors.

[Young Werther]

That's Elizabeth with the long curly black hair from her Black Beauty period!

[Cacophonous]

In all seriousness, in her day, she was drop dead gorgeous. Watch "Giant" sometime, and note also that James Dean's character is the verbal model for Boomhauer on "King of the Hill".

[1riot1ranger]

I think it was something left by aliens from another planet. Everyone knows that the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Right?

[Young Werther]

Don't get me wrong. I absolutely agree. Those violet eyes were all I needed.....

Her movies with Burton were stunning and let's not forget "The Cat!"

Whew! I think I'm gonna go for a walk where it's cooler!

[ngc6656]

Does anyone have a star chart program handy? Fire it up and tell us how the stars of Orion looked in 30,500 BC.

Just did that. Can't tell any significant change in the overall appearance of Orion while some other nearby constellations go wild.

I'm in complete agreement with others who have posted saying this is quite a stretch.

[SunkenCiv]

Turned out to be the world's oldest cribbage board, and for that matter, the world's oldest board game of any kind. ;') I would have expected perhaps "Backgammon to the Future"... ;')

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