Deport All Our Illegal Aliens?

Front Page Magazine ^ | 1/24/03 | Stephen Brown

[gubamyster]

how can you get them without federal agents coming uninvited onto private property looking for them?

I don't support a guest worker program because the questions I asked & many others cannot/will not be answered. You don't have to go door to door to round them all up & deport them. The government has to eliminate the incentives for illegals to come here. Stop access to social programs, stop anchor babies & extended family immigration, stop free medical care, stop free education, and impose severe penalties on employers who knowingly hire illegals.

The Feds should withhold funds from states that accept the Mexican ID, that have law enforcement agencies with policies that allow illegals to be released, and LEA's that do not coordinate w/ the INS to deport illegals.

The Feds should revoke FDIC standing to any financial institution that takes the Mexican ID.

These policies in conjunction with increasing the number of border patrol agents would be a good start in eliminating the desire to cross the border illegally.

[FITZ]

Two examples who I personally know:

A couple from Chihuahua who came up on a visitor visa at 15 years of age --about 2 years ago, came to "visit" an aunt and the girl gave birth at the county hospital to a US citizen, they collect welfare benefits, food stamps, WIC. Neither parent --17 now speaks English or has yet worked a day in their life ---nor intends to. Technically they are legal since they are parents of a US citizen. They'd be easy to deport since they're accessing programs right and left but the problem is that US citizen baby that qualifies them to stay even though it's unlikely they'll ever be self-sufficient.

Guy in his 30's, family in Mexico --no visa. Works various jobs for cash, lives quietly on someone's private property, doesn't access any government services and pays cash (or one of his employers does) if he sees a doctor or dentist, doesn't cross the border often to avoid detection. Wouldn't be so easy to deport just because agents would almost have to invade private property to drag him off.

I'd rather get those who are technically legal but acessing taxpayer money right and left.

[FITZ]

Stop access to social programs, stop anchor babies & extended family immigration, stop free medical care, stop free education, and impose severe penalties on employers who knowingly hire illegals.

I agree with all that. I just wouldn't like to see door-to-door searches with agents entering my home looking for illegals who aren't here.

[Cindy]

ILLEGAL Aliens

[gubamyster]

I also think that needs to be done ---eliminate the advantage they have because they can bring in families and have taxpayers pay the full cost so are able to work for much less than an American can. They also need to start paying taxes on their income just like Americans must do --and that also will eliminate much of their advantage.

Then why create a huge government bureaucratic guest worker program? It is not that we need the guest workers (or illegals) it is just that they depress the wages below the market rate. There are plenty of people who will do the jobs – when the wage becomes attractive enough. When employers have to pay the legal rate to guest workers, there will be no need for the guest workers, because at this rate Americans will be willing to take the jobs.

[sarcasm]

Eventually the guy in his 30's becomes a guy in his 60's - at that point he will be nearly impossible to deport because of the time element - see protection under color of law.

[FITZ]

I know there is no guest worker program needed in the area I'm in because there is very high unemployment (but very high illegal immigration anyhow). I don't know if others areas need one or not ---probably not ---I'd have to agree. I had read that even Tancredo supported some kind of guest worker program so I haven't ruled it out. My biggest concern is the use of the many welfare programs by legals and illegals ---which we see a lot of here. I also don't want to allow road blocks and home searches which I think would be needed to get 100% of the illegals out ---I'd be content with them getting out the 90% or more who are mooching off the system in some way.

[FITZ]

I know ---but the priorities I think should be with reforming the entire immigration so legal moochers quit being allowed in. The 15 year olds who came and stayed technically never have been illegals since they immediately had a baby and they are taking taxpayer money, I know their lifestyle since they life near me ---they lay around watching novelas all day and really don't intend to work. They've got it made since they can keep bringing US citizens into the world that allows them to collect many welfare programs -----I'd rather see them deported than the guy that works for every dime he intends to get.

[gubamyster]

I'd be content with them getting out the 90% or more who are mooching off the system in some way.

I'd be content w/ hitting the lottery tomorrow night!

We're both dreaming!

[sarcasm]

Eventually the guy who now pays for everything that he gets becomes old and sick - that's when the big costs start. This is also a guy who probably has paid nothing except sales tax.

[FITZ]

True ----but at the same time many are bringing in their elderly now who never will work or contribute in any way ---to get your elderly relatives in legally and on SSI plus Medicaid, you only need to find some legal relative who is at 125% of federal poverty level to "sponsor" them. The sponsor's income is considered with the immigrants when qualifying them for SSI and Medicaid ----the sponsors don't ever have to actually pay for their immigrant, the taxpayers will. The other family members of course can be very wealthy and never pay either. We're seeing high numbers of elderly being brought in this way ---and it's all completely legal.

[sarcasm]

True - the entire immigration system needs to be reformed. My first proposal would be an age limit on immigrants unless they can prove that they will not be a burden on the system. I would think that most anyone who arrives after age 35 or so will turn out to be a net taker from the taxpayers.

[CIBvet]

Thanks for an excellent article.

One of the first to clearly outline the solution ... DEPORT the criminal Illegals.

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

Correct. Missing from the article is the fact that once a SERIOUS deportation was begun by Eisenhower, most of the three million who left did so voluntarily. They saw the U.S. government was serious and they didn't want to be grabbed and sent hundreds of miles into Mexico as the U.S. government was doing at the time.

The day a real round-up begins, many illegals will deport themselves.

I work beside illegals every day. They are taking the jobs of Americans. I know Americans not working whose skilled jobs have been taken by illegals. It is not true these illegals are doing jobs Americans won't do. They are being hired in lieu of Americans. It's a powder keg and is going to blow up.

[dogbrain]

YES.

[RWG]

Problem is so many farmers and businesses won't come on board. Major farms and major businesses that have more pull in Washington than a majority of the electorate. Illegals aren't bothered in San Diego until the nfl's interests are threatened.

[Robert Drobot]

"....we should deport all those committing felony fraud by using stolen Social Security numbers and other documents."

Spot on Fitz!!!

While we're at it close every Mexican consulate in America issuing ID's to criminal trespassers, AND send to prison traitors like RAT minority leader Polisi who assumed executive authority by arm twisting fed agencies in San Francisco to accept these foreign government issued ID's as valid for getting services ( say tax dollars )intended to assist American Citizens, and foreign nationals who are here legally.

[raybbr]

Inknow a guy at work got a girl from Peru pregnant. Married her and raises the baby as a family. He went to an immigration lawyer and was told if she applies for citizenship, she will be deported and will have to do it from Peru. The baby gets to stay, but she would have to go.

It makes the situation you describe all that more despicable. One is trying to make things right and is threatened with deportation and the break up of a family.

The other are just low-life leeches that are not threatened. Just allowed to live here sucking the blood of the American people.

[MissAmericanPie]

Invaders have no civil or legal rights under the Constitution.

[Dante3]

Good idea. I'm all for deporting every single one of them. Let's start now.