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Deport All Our Illegal Aliens?
Front Page Magazine ^ | 1/24/03 | Stephen Brown

Posted on 01/24/2003 1:06:56 AM PST by hoosierskypilot

There is a quaint fact that tends to be forgotten in discussions of immigration policy: the law is the law. The law says that some persons have a legal right to be in the United States and some do not. This law is not arbitrary: it was made by a legitimate, democratically elected government expressing the will of the American people. Therefore, it is high time to get serious about enforcing it by deporting all of our illegal aliens. Fortunately, this is not as hard as it looks, as we already deport some of them and merely need to apply the same programs to a greater number of people. Politically, it may be hard; logistically, it’s no big deal.

The raw numbers are staggering. The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) estimates there are currently more than eight million illegal aliens living within our borders, with more than a million more expected to be here by the end of 2003. It’s not like the public is unaware of the problem. Successive polling in recent years has consistently shown a clear – and thus far unanswered – mandate from the American electorate for its elected officials to faithfully enforce the laws they are sworn to uphold by removing the swelling illegal population. But key constituencies inside the governing class – principally the cheap labor lobby on the Republican side and the ethnic lobbies on the Democratic side – have successfully frustrated American democracy and the rule of law on this point.

Under pressure and in fits and starts, the federal government has been making token gestures of deportation, which prove that something could be done if the political decision were ever made to get serious. Between 1995 and 1998, funding for removing illegal aliens more than doubled, resulting in a rise in deportations from 50,400 to 171,000. Early INS estimates for Fiscal 2002 deportations come in at 147,345.

But with a pool of eight million potential deportees, appreciable progress will only be achieved through a general deportation policy, i.e., the principle that every person whose illegal status becomes known gets deported. The key thing to understand is that this would not require, as opponents would have us believe, some kind of fascistic police state out of a B-grade movie. All it would require is that well-established, existing programs for deportation operate on greater numbers of people.

Fundamentally, the politics of deportation may be heated, but actual deportation is quite boring.

It’s not as though it hasn’t been done before. In 1954, during the Eisenhower Administration, INS Commissioner Gen. Joseph May Swing instituted a mass search-and-removal operation targeting illegal aliens from Mexico scattered throughout the Southwest and Midwest. It coordinated the efforts of the U.S. Border Patrol, municipal, county, state and local police forces, along with the military. The coordinated and strategic use of resources and manpower soon produced positive results. In Texas, the nation’s second-largest state, the government needed only around 700 men to do the job, netting approximately 4,800 deportees on its first day and 1,100 daily thereafter. Deportees were shipped back to Mexico via rail and ship, often deep into the interior of the country to discourage recidivism. When funding for the initiative ran out that fall, the INS claimed some 2.1 million removals, including those who voluntarily returned to Mexico before and during the operation. Following the 1954 effort, illegal immigration dwindled until the mid-1960s.

This is the real benefit of deportation: it discourages illegal immigration in the first place, reducing both the enforcement burden and the social problems that immigration causes. Once would-be immigration criminals realize they will only be deported, their numbers drop within a range that can easily be contained. Ironically enough, this means that a laxer immigration policy, not a stricter one, requires more manpower to enforce the tatters of law that remain, and costs more money to run. Once would-be illegals get the message, there will be a lot fewer of them.

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To: FITZ
But there are a few like some domestic workers and some farm workers who would be pretty difficult to deport without going door-to-door to find them, they might work for cash and leave their families back in Mexico and aren't the main problem...

It wouldn't be difficult to find them at all. In most cities, the illegal immigrants live in certain neighborhoods, hang out on certain street corners or Home Depot lots looking for work, etc. Believe me, local law enforcement *knows* where the illegals are. They do nothing about it because it's a *federal* responsibility.

The laws need to be changed so that local law enforcement can pick up illegals & take them to federal offices, drop them off, and let the feds do the deportation. If Mexico doesn't like it, tough.

41 posted on 01/24/2003 6:43:43 AM PST by valkyrieanne
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To: FITZ
A couple from Chihuahua who came up on a visitor visa at 15 years of age --about 2 years ago, came to "visit" an aunt and the girl gave birth at the county hospital to a US citizen, they collect welfare benefits, food stamps, WIC...

That's why this needs to be a two-pronged effort: deportation is the first element; the second is to *repeal the US Constitution* so that those born of illegal immigrants are not automatically citizens.

42 posted on 01/24/2003 6:46:14 AM PST by valkyrieanne
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To: valkyrieanne
Sorry, brain freeze - I meant *amend* the US constitution so that babies of illegals don't automatically acquire citizenship.
43 posted on 01/24/2003 6:46:53 AM PST by valkyrieanne
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To: MissAmericanPie
I agree wholeheartedly with you say and in my opinion there's another mechanism at work here that is paralyzing local law enforcement's efforts to contol this problem. My guess is that the US is a signee on the UN Convention for Human Rights (or something like that) and I remember reading some it's contents a few years ago and one clause that jumped out was something to the effect..."that anyone desiring so has the right to move to another country". This is a paraphrase but I'm sure something like this in that document and what I believe it means is that according to the UN and the US government we have no borders. That's why when these people show up they think they have as many rights as an American.
44 posted on 01/24/2003 7:45:45 AM PST by american spirit
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To: hoosierskypilot
If the US fails to control its borders (like the last 30 years), you can kiss the US goodbye as a world power and a decent place to live. Take a look at parts of LA for a peek into the future...

The US governemnt is failing in its duty to keep illegal immigrants out and failing to deport the illegals inside the US.

I hope the Homeland Defense people gut the INS and separate it into two different agencies: 1)to prevent illegal entry and 2) find and deport illegals already here!
45 posted on 01/24/2003 7:52:53 AM PST by texson66 (Those who fail to study the past are condemed to repeat it. Those who fail to study the ........)
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To: FITZ
what's wrong with resolving 90% or 95% of the problem?

Nothing, but it's better to resolve 100%.

It doesn't have to be 100%

No, but it can be. So why not do it?

46 posted on 01/24/2003 9:57:48 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: FITZ
I just don't know how 100% can be deported because there are some who work for cash and are pretty "blended in" ---how can you get them without federal agents coming uninvited onto private property looking for them?

There are ways. Most illegals work for a business of some sort; there's only so many housekeeping jobs available. If you are a business owner and pay someone in cash off the books, you usually have to do some creative accounting. Basically, you have to engage in tax fraud. The IRS could detect most of this by doing more audits of businesses in idustries that tend to hire illegals. Most businesses only hire illegals if they have fraudulant papers so they don't have to engage in tax fraud. The INS can weed out close to 100% of these cases by more careful screening and verification of the documents.

They can be deported if and when they try to access government services or try to obtain free medical care.

There's more to it that that. It is already necessary to show a state or other government-issued ID, or have a social security number, in order to open bank accounts and engage in many every-day life activities. Prohibit all governments from granting of such IDs to illegals (currently illegals can get drivers' liscences in some states). Make it impossible to get a social security number if you are illegal (currently, it is not too difficult). Prohibit the use of the new matricula card. Stiffen the penalties for document fraud. Such measures would make the life of an illegal very difficult, and would likely encourage most of those who don't get caught to leave voluntarily.

47 posted on 01/24/2003 10:20:08 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: texson66
Many countries have a branch of the military devoted exclusively to border control. Why don't we? We have the coast guard; why not a border guard?
48 posted on 01/24/2003 10:22:37 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: hoosierskypilot
Below are the last few paragraphs from the conclusion chapter of Michelle Malkin's best selling book "Invasion". From our perspective, she has nailed it!
Protect Our Birthright
American citizenship is one of the most sought-after privileges in the world. But we have doled it out carelessly to terrorists, tor­turers, and criminals—and it is almost impossible to take back. Congress must reform the process to allow speedy denaturalization of America's enemies and amend federal law to automati­cally strip citizenship from naturalized Americans convicted of terrorism. Immigration authorities convicted of fraud involving citizenship scams should face harsh penalties. Individuals who express anti-American sentiments abroad must be barred from receiving green cards leading to eventual citizenship. Those con­victed of human rights atrocities in their native countries, and found to have lied to American immigration officials about past criminal records, must be immediately stripped of United States citizenship if they have been naturalized here, then prosecuted, jailed, and deported.

Entry into this country—either as an immigrant or a visi­tor—is a privilege, not a right. The safety of our citizens must come before the comfort and convenience of foreigners. To pre­vent another September 11, tourism dollars, ethnic votes, diplo­matic kowtowing, and political cronyism must once and for all take a back seat to national security.

There will be howling protestations from the usual suspects. But this is no moment to give in to the homegrown abettors of anti-Americanism. It's time to take out the trash, fix the holes in our fences, and defend Lady Liberty from all those who would trespass against her.

49 posted on 01/24/2003 10:27:29 AM PST by B-Cause
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To: AntiGuv
Let it be done according to the law. Why is the law applicable to just some of the people living on this land? Why does our government demand taxes to be paid, etc., and not demand that illegal workers leave? Whe the double standard? Why expect motorists to observe rules, but play blind to illegal workers invading us. The rules of immigration are made void, the INS is simply working on behalf of everyone who is not an American national. Law and rules are there to either protect, maintain order, incease budgets for national welfare - in other words to maintain a cilivized front. Why it it that politicians do not notice the existence of borders any more? Why do they want the poor of the southern neighbor to be our laborer, at the cost of giving away our land/language/safety/quality of life.
50 posted on 01/24/2003 10:33:43 AM PST by Hila
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To: FITZ
Don't have to send hounds door-to-door, all our government would have to do is use the INS as it should have been used. Start at their offices in saying NO to the hundreds of applicants who flood their offices daily. Make INS do their job in notifying those who want to apply for residency or citizenship, that the cup is full and they MUST leave the country or be deported.
51 posted on 01/24/2003 10:36:36 AM PST by Hila
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To: Jim Noble
>>Politically, it may be hard<<
Why? Everybody's for it.

Just for the record:

Not the Democratic Party and Dick Gephardt (who promised amnesty to all illegals who vote and support the Dems in the 2002 elections).

............and also (I'm afraid to say) linguine-spined Republicans who are afraid (and rightly so) they will be labelled as racist by the Dems and every other special interest group from the Agricultural Lobby, to La Raza, to the idiots in the mainstream press.

52 posted on 01/24/2003 10:45:25 AM PST by DoctorMichael (America:YES; Me-hee-ko:NO)
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To: Jim Noble
Logistically impossible!
53 posted on 01/24/2003 10:51:05 AM PST by kaktuskid
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To: MissAmericanPie
They don't but citizens do ---if they can get them all without trampling on citizens' rights ---fine but I still believe there's a way the government can easily get the problems immigrants out ---by cutting off their free services. I don't want road blocks or people coming to my door.
54 posted on 01/24/2003 11:15:23 AM PST by FITZ
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To: traditionalist
It is already necessary to show a state or other government-issued ID, or have a social security number, in order to open bank accounts and engage in many every-day life activities.

I agree with all you said but I don't want to have to carry my government-issued ID at all times and be stopped for any reason to prove I can produce it.

55 posted on 01/24/2003 11:17:35 AM PST by FITZ
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To: valkyrieanne
the second is to *repeal the US Constitution* so that those born of illegal immigrants are not automatically citizens.

All they have to do is drop or amend that Amendment that causes that problem. It's not applicable for the original reasons it was put into affect anyhow now-days.

56 posted on 01/24/2003 11:20:34 AM PST by FITZ
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To: raybbr
It makes the situation you describe all that more despicable.

That's why there seems to be no rhyme nor reason to the current situation. Non-citizens can easily bring in all their relatives but it seems that kind of thing should be limited to citizens. Intermarriage with Americans would be obviously good for assimilation but we're seeing complete foreign and welfare communities springing up because low-income foreigners can bring in all their relatives. Uneducated, unskilled unwed mothers can stay forever collecting welfare forever ---but like the case you mention, welfare woulld be avoided but they forbid that.

57 posted on 01/24/2003 11:26:36 AM PST by FITZ
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To: VietVet
This is the program which we are supposed to have now, and it is seriously abused. It has been estimated that most of the illegal aliens in our country today entered under a legal temporary visa or permit, and just stayed on and on after it expired.

I agree. You cannot let them in. Afterward, it is very difficult and very costly to get them out. The government's efforts are such a waste. We dedicate so many billions to guard the border, but on the other hand grant tourist visas and border crossing cards by the hundreds of thousands, which are used in lieu of a coyote. It's sheer stupidity. Every morning, the INS lets people into the country who they know are violating the terms of their entry documents (i.e. they are going to work, but they don't have authorization to work). Instead of pulling their border crossing permits and making them stay in Mexico, they wave them through. You can witness this at www.telnor.com Look under garitas to see a web cam of border traffic and how it changes during morning and evening drive time.

58 posted on 01/24/2003 11:35:57 AM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: Post Toasties
Why stop there ... how about a moritorium on ALL immigrants from belligerent countries.
59 posted on 01/24/2003 11:37:51 AM PST by clamper1797 (Per Caritate Viduaribus Orphanibusque Sed Prime Viduaribus)
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To: gubamyster
If the guest workers come in and receive legal wages, benefits and have more legal recourse against employers, while employers have to start paying taxes, the guest workers' wages will be comparable to the wages for US citizens. Won’t this eliminate the “cheap labor” advantage illegals have over American workers? Why hire some uneducated, guest worker that doesn’t speak English at relatively the same cost as an American worker?

That's the problem with any kind of legalization plan, it will make the current illegals obsolete. Management will still need new recruits from south of the border. The newly legalized who command a higher wage will no longer be in demand and will be laid off in greater numbers.

Those who are current illegals and employed are really shooting themselves in the foot by asking for amnesty. They'll see the error when another 10 million illegals come to take their place.

60 posted on 01/24/2003 11:45:26 AM PST by Pa' fuera
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