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We Can Beat Guns Together (UK)
Birmingham Post ^ | Jan 25 2003 | John Revill

Posted on 01/25/2003 8:59:30 PM PST by Mark

We can beat guns together Jan 25 2003 By John Revill, Birmingham Post

The West Midlands Chief Constable yesterday pledged gun crime in the region would be stamped out - if the public was "brave" enough to play its part by backing the police.

Paul Scott- Lee said the groundswell of public revulsion over the New Year killings of teenagers Charlene Ellis and Letisha Shakespeare could help to defeat criminals who resort to firearms.

Voicing confidence that his force would achieve the same successes in tackling gun crime as it had with other anti-crime initiatives, Mr Scott-Lee said his main priority was to make people feel safe in their communities and confident in the police.

Among the measures he wanted to see as part of this objective was an extension of on-the-spot fines for low level anti-social behaviour to cover more offences and younger offenders.

"I want to try and make the people of the West Midlands feel safe and feel good where they are. It is not just about addressing crime, it is about finding a way to work with the community.

"We achieved good results in reducing burglary, robbery and vehicle crime which people thought would not be possible, but we've managed it.

"There's no reason that can't be maintained and why we can't use the same skills to reduce gun crime. But the community has to be brave and be prepared to say enough is enough."

Mr Scott-Lee, who took over as Chief Constable in September, said he had been impressed by the vibrancy and energy of the region and the organisation of its police force in particular.

He said West Midlands Police had benefited from the local policing structure introduced by his predecessor Sir Edward Crew.

Local beat officers having responsibilities for specific areas offered the best way to improve public confidence as well as tackling gangland crime.

Mr Scott-Lee cited Operation Ventara, the force's initiative against gun crime, which resulted in 57 arrests and the recovery of 97 weapons last year.

Three major ingredients were needed to rid the streets of the menace of gun crime, said Mr Scott-Lee, who added that he was optimistic it could be achieved.

"Firstly people need to feel safe and secure living in the West Midlands without a gun. There is no reason at all for any law abiding member of the community to carry a weapon in a public place.

"Secondly I have to have the means to take on and arrest the people responsible and put them before the courts. This is not just about extra firearms teams and more officers, but also better intelligence and support from the community.

"Stiffer sentences would send a message out to the gun carrying criminals as well.

"People used to say nothing could be done about criminals who carry knives, but we it was made illegal to carry them in a public place and we got on top of that problem.

"Finally the community in all its aspects has to be part of the solution. There can be no tolerance of gun crime and people need to come forward and help.

"The public swell of opinion recently can definitely be part of the solution. If we have all these things together there is no reason we cannot get rid of guns."

In order to boost public confidence, a raft of witness protection steps are set to be increased and publicised more widely.

"People are not fully aware of what we can do, from giving information anonymously through Crimestoppers to providing a completely new identity in the most extreme circumstance.

"We need to make people aware of what we can do. But over and above that, it would be better if others in the community recognised the contribution witnesses and others make. Everyone may think it's the right thing to do, and if they support them, it will make a massive difference."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: crime; gunprohibition; uk
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"I want to try and make the people of the West Midlands feel safe and feel good where they are. It is not just about addressing crime, it is about finding a way to work with the community."

It just "takes a village" and passage of laws. So simple! And of course FEELING good does a lot :

1 posted on 01/25/2003 8:59:30 PM PST by Mark
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To: Mark
This one needs a big time BARF ALERT
2 posted on 01/25/2003 9:02:00 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Mark
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! (Scornful, derisive laughter). What an idiotic socialist stooge!
3 posted on 01/25/2003 9:06:13 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: Mark
If you beat guns together, they might go off and injure somebody. At the very least you'll mar the finish.
4 posted on 01/25/2003 9:07:09 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Mark
"There is no reason at all for any law abiding citizen to have a gun in a public place"...or something like that. I suppose then that the non law abiding citizens should have them. I'm just glad that I recently moved to a place where almost EVERYONE carries a gun and it's relatively easy to get a concealed weapons permit. I feel a whole lot safer here than I did in Oakland.
5 posted on 01/25/2003 9:07:23 PM PST by vikingcelt
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...It is not just about addressing crime, it is about finding a way to work with the community."

No, it IS about addressing crime.

6 posted on 01/25/2003 9:10:55 PM PST by Mark
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To: Mark
But surely increasing sentencing for criminals will make them more violent - wasn't this the argument used against arming the police? No, no, the thing to do is to stop penalizing criminals altogether and attempt to understand the root causes of their crimes. It is extremely rude and provocative, for example, for someone to have a twenty-pound note if that fellow with a gun over there doesn't have one. Were it not for this provocation the fellow would never commit a crime. It is, therefore, the fault of people having more things than other people - it is they who should go to jail.

Well, I'm kidding. What's scary is that there are idiots who really believe this stuff.

7 posted on 01/25/2003 9:12:35 PM PST by Billthedrill
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These lefty clowns never to seem to get it, do they?
8 posted on 01/25/2003 9:12:38 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is immoral.)
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Lee said the groundswell of public revulsion over the New Year killings of teenagers Charlene Ellis and Letisha Shakespeare could help to defeat criminals WHO RESORT TO FIREARMS.

Oh but feel free to stab or run-over anyone you like, because that's not the type of crime we care about. And that "groundswell of public revulsion" by a bunch of dis-armed subjects is really going to make a huge difference.

9 posted on 01/25/2003 9:19:12 PM PST by Super Mak90kid
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Let's carry the logic further - they supposedly got rid of knives. Now they have to get rid of guns. Next they'll have to get rid of baseball bats. Then truncheons, socks full of sand, nunchuks, good sized rocks, panyhose, guitar strings, and anything that can be filed down into a shank. What else? Oh, trained vicious dogs, cans of mace or pepper spray, 2X4's, cut firewood, bricks, cans of spray insecticide, iron frying pans.... I'm sure there are more things that can be used as dangerous weapons - Let's send the police in the UK a list! Also should probably get rid of martial arts training.
10 posted on 01/25/2003 9:22:01 PM PST by First Amendment
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To: Mark
This clown should be concerned with getting guns back into the hands of the citizenry with all the armed criminals and Islamofascists with explosives and deadly chemicals running around the kingdom.
11 posted on 01/25/2003 9:24:09 PM PST by AF68
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Britain is going to look like the fight scene from "Gangs of New York".

And that will be the afternoon lunch crowd.
12 posted on 01/25/2003 9:25:04 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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Just what are the civilians going to do about the criminals, when only the criminals have guns?
13 posted on 01/25/2003 9:28:48 PM PST by jdege
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To: Mark
Welcome to fantasyland.
14 posted on 01/25/2003 9:30:24 PM PST by c-b 1
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To: AF68
Yup!
15 posted on 01/25/2003 9:34:07 PM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is immoral.)
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Letisha Shakespeare

Say WHAT?

16 posted on 01/25/2003 10:33:36 PM PST by sneakypete
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"Firstly people need to feel safe and secure living in the West Midlands without a gun. There is no reason at all for any law abiding member of the community to carry a weapon in a public place.

In that case he should put his money where his mouth is,and melt down into scrap ALL the guns held by his police dept,and he should do this in public so everybody knows none of the cops have any guns. In short,lead by example.

17 posted on 01/25/2003 10:36:17 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Shooter 2.5
Britain is going to look like the fight scene from "Gangs of New York".

I think you are right,and it won't be long before it happens.

18 posted on 01/25/2003 10:38:42 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Mark
Just saw SIGNS with Mel Gibson on video tonight. If only the people in the movie had guns they could have killed the aliens!!!!!!!!!!!!! I kept thinking if only they had guns! then they would have FELT SAFER because they would have BEEN SAFER!
19 posted on 01/25/2003 11:00:40 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary?.......Me neither....)
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To: pram
You can beat someone to death with a wooden chair. You can push them out the window of an upper floor. You can set them on fire with matches.....
20 posted on 01/25/2003 11:02:32 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary?.......Me neither....)
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