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Confirming More Guns, Less Crime
Social Science Research Network Electronic Library ^ | Jan 24, 2003 | Lott, Plassmann, and Whitley

Posted on 01/26/2003 8:14:52 AM PST by FSPress

Abstract: Analyzing county level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5 and 2.3 percent for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between about $2 billion and $3 billion per year.

Ayres and Donohue have simply misread their own results. Their own most generalized specification that breaks down the impact of the law on a year-by-year basis shows large crime reducing benefits. Virtually none of their claims that their county level hybrid model implies initial significant increases in crime are correct. Overall, the vast majority of their estimates based on data up to 1997 actually demonstrate that right-to-carry laws produce substantial crime reducing benefits. We show that their models also do an extremely poor job of predicting the changes in crime rates after 1997.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2nd; bang; banglist; ccw; gun; guns; rkba; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/26/2003 8:14:52 AM PST by FSPress
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To: FSPress
I would do a study of how many uniformed police officers had people try to mug them on the street. Since it is obvious they are carrying a gun, how many are robbed?
2 posted on 01/26/2003 8:21:00 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: FSPress
I've been waiting for this.
3 posted on 01/26/2003 9:19:02 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee (const vector<tags>& theTags)
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To: *bang_list
More Guns Less Crime BANG!
4 posted on 01/26/2003 9:23:10 AM PST by xsrdx (Research Department (E)xplosive)
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To: FSPress
For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between about $2 billion and $3 billion per year.

So instead of cities and states suing the gun manufacturers, they should be paying them a dividend.

I think we should push for this in order to help reduce the cost of guns for the poor.

5 posted on 01/26/2003 9:29:08 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: FSPress
BUMP!
6 posted on 01/26/2003 9:49:44 AM PST by bandleader
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To: FSPress
Thank you for providing this "ammunition".
7 posted on 01/26/2003 9:57:14 AM PST by Ches
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To: TC Rider; *bang_list; Travis McGee; Squantos; Jeff Head; Joe Brower
among other very significant quotations included in this paper are the following: But when one examines a longer period from 1977 to 2000, even this type of result disappears. Ayres and Donohue’s efforts have been valuable in forcing others to re-examine the evidence, extend the data set over more years, and think of new ways to test hypotheses, and we appreciate their efforts.

“Robbery is a good place to start our inquiry because it is committed in public more than other crime, and should be the crime most likely to decline if the Lott and Mustard story of deterrence has any plausibility.” (p. 11) “the failure of the model to show a drop in robbery, casts doubt on the causal story that they advance.” (p. 22) Ayres and Donohue have consistently argued over several papers that robbery is the key result upon which the deterrence by right-to-carry laws is based.9 In contrast, Lott has argued many times that there is no a priori reason to believe that the benefits are larger for robbery than other violent crimes.10 But putting that debate aside, the robbery results presented by Ayres and Donohue present a very clear, consistent story (Figure 1a). The state level analysis shows that robbery rates continued rising, though at a slower rate, for the first two years after the law was passed. However, after that, robbery rates in right-to-carry states fell relative to non-right-to-carry states for the next 9 years, and then remained fairly constant through year 17. The two sets of county level estimates are even more dramatic. Robbery rates in right-to-carry states were rising until the laws were passed and then fell continually after that point. The pattern is very similar to that shown earlier by Lott in examining county level data from 1977 to 1996.

Their county and state estimates paint a very consistent picture, but they dismiss the fact that state data estimated a 4.5 percent the drop in murder rates during the first three years of the law as showing “relatively little movement.”12 Their state level regressions indicate that murder rates were rising in the three years prior to the law being passed and then falling over the next thirteen years. Only one state, Maine, had had the law in effect for more than 13 years. The increase during years 14, 15, 16, and 17 thus solely reflect changes in Maine’s murder rate and since this is state level data each coefficient represents only one data point. The values for these four years show up in the data only because Ayres and Donohue recode Maine’s right-to-carry law as going into effect in 1981 instead of 1985 as previous research had done.13 The increase between years 13 and 14 is also more apparent than real. The real “increase” is actually not due to any sudden change in Maine’s crime rates, but due to the fact that other states are included in calculating the crime rate for year 13, while only Maine is used for year 14.

By the time the law has been in effect for six years, Ayres and Donohue’s very own county and state estimates imply that murder rates had fallen by at least 10 percent.

Ayres and Donohue’s county and state level results for rapes and aggravated assaults are more ambiguous. The county level estimates without the individual state trends show that both rape and aggravated assaults fell almost continually after the laws were enacted (Figures 1c and 1d). Even choosing for comparison the sixth year after the law where rape and aggravated assault rates have slightly risen back up, still leaves rapes 9 percent below their peak and aggravated assaults 3 percent below theirs.

In short the Ayers and Donahue study that is touted by the gun grabboids is political research to justify gun grabbing and seriously flawed. In other words the gun grabbers are lying some more

8 posted on 01/26/2003 10:07:23 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
In other words the gun grabbers are lying some more

They can't tell the truth, 'cause then they would be out of a job.

9 posted on 01/26/2003 10:32:17 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: harpseal
Bumpmark for later read.
10 posted on 01/26/2003 1:34:38 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: TC Rider
That's the saddest part. Lyin scum like this , peta ,
etc. get paid to fabricate lies. Shut off the money for idiots like this and they'll have to get a real job , if they have any employable skills to get a real job with that is.
11 posted on 01/26/2003 2:14:33 PM PST by squibs
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To: harpseal; TC Rider; Travis McGee; Squantos; Jeff Head; Joe Brower
As you yourself have pointed out and we all know, the gun-grabbers must constantly lie in order to promote their civilian disarmament agenda, which is not a good indicator of their moral standing. No matter, it's for the children.


12 posted on 01/26/2003 2:55:39 PM PST by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: Joe Brower
Who can be against common sense gun safety laws?
13 posted on 01/26/2003 4:21:25 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
~ Former Senator Howard Metzenbaum D-OH. 1993, Senate debate on the Brady Bill.


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MOLON LABE!

14 posted on 01/26/2003 10:00:21 PM PST by The_Macallan
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To: The_Macallan
Sooner or later if they keep pushing these morons will discover to their horror the complete infeasiblity of putting a 500 yards security zone around all of themselves.

At least that's what happens in my novel.

15 posted on 01/27/2003 12:00:44 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Exactly. After all, with all those benevolent gods who stride the hallowed halls of government watching over us like the good shepherds they are, who are we lowlies to question, much less complain?

BTW, the last couple chapters of EFAD are great! You are in a groove, my good man.


16 posted on 01/27/2003 5:55:18 AM PST by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks Joe, and I can honestly tell you the pace and the thrill factor increases all the way to the end.
17 posted on 01/27/2003 7:26:38 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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