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Language of choice: As US changes, many trying to learn Spanish
The Boston Globe ^ | 1/27/2003 | Cindy Rodriquez

Posted on 01/27/2003 8:09:57 AM PST by Prolixus

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:09:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Bill Pyron may not understand the sexual innuendos, or the rantings of the jilted lover who vows revenge at a rapid-fire pace. But it doesn't matter. These nights, after work, Pyron plops himself in front of his television, absorbing whatever he can from the Spanish soap operas flashing before him.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: education; language; spanish
The American Council on the Teaching of Foreign Languages states that more than 4 million of the 6 million high school students who studied a foreign language in 2000 took Spanish.

What is the benefit of U.S. students learning Spanish rather than any other language? Yes, that is a rhetorical question. How can we have multiculturalism if 2/3 of children who are studying a second language are studying one language? Yes, that is another rhetorical question with a hint of irony.

I'm sure we're paying big bucks for this language instruction. I'd rather see my money go towards teaching languages such as:


1 posted on 01/27/2003 8:09:57 AM PST by Prolixus
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To: Prolixus
If I understood Spanish, I would watch a lot of Telemundo. The women on those shows are dynamite.
2 posted on 01/27/2003 8:12:25 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: Prolixus
When in Rome, do as the Romans do. So, if we are conducting business in the USA and Spanish speaking people want to do business here, then they should learn English like everybody else.

Sure, learning another language can benefit you, but frankly, this article is as if it was written by a college freshmen who has no idea about the way things work.

3 posted on 01/27/2003 8:15:30 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Prolixus
Wouldn't it be more useful to waste our money on teaching spanish speakers English?

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

4 posted on 01/27/2003 8:16:47 AM PST by South Hawthorne
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To: WaveThatFlag
If I understood Spanish, I would watch a lot of Telemundo. The women on those shows are dynamite.

Yeah, I watch Telemundo from time to time. Mostly 'cause I'm too cheap/prudish to buy a porn channel subscription. Anyhow, I'm perfectly happy just to watch and I'm probably happier that I don't understand (most) of what they're saying.

5 posted on 01/27/2003 8:19:51 AM PST by Prolixus
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To: Prolixus
My daughter is learning both Spanish and Latin in a charter school in Michigan. Those children that learn Latin have a basis for decoding most medical and biological terms. I agree with you that this is important.
6 posted on 01/27/2003 8:24:27 AM PST by netmilsmom (Partly cloudy because I'm a mom)
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To: KC_Conspirator
... if we are conducting business in the USA and Spanish speaking people want to do business here, then they should learn English like everybody else.

Hey, if you're conducting business internationally - never mind just in English speaking countries - you're probably doing it in English. English is the current Lingua Franca of the World. All First World countries are teaching English to their children. Upwardly mobile Second World countries, such as China, are trending towards English also. Why the U.S. should be trending away from English is beyond me.

7 posted on 01/27/2003 8:26:30 AM PST by Prolixus
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To: WaveThatFlag
I don't let my poor grasp of Spanish get in the way of my telemundo-ogling :)
8 posted on 01/27/2003 8:33:20 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: WaveThatFlag

Me gusta la lengua tambien.

9 posted on 01/27/2003 8:39:17 AM PST by onedoug
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To: KC_Conspirator
Have you been to a McDonalds or Burger King lately where they do not speak English? You will be seeing them soon....






10 posted on 01/27/2003 8:41:57 AM PST by .45MAN (Welcome to America. Now speak ENGLISH!)
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To: .45MAN
Hey, it could be worse: I live in Larchomnt, NY, home of The French American School. Any frog who works for their embassy or a French corporation, and has small kids lives in or near my town so that their kids can be educated in French. As a result, there are a couple of stores in my town that have signs in French instead of English.
11 posted on 01/27/2003 8:45:48 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: .45MAN
I have been in a McDonald's actually in Mexico and they spoke English there. I just wish they would do the same in east LA....
12 posted on 01/27/2003 8:54:53 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: onedoug
My goodness!!!


(more please)
13 posted on 01/27/2003 9:02:19 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: Prolixus
I live here in North Atlanta in a little place I have dubbed 'Little Havana'. It is sad...very sad. It is to the point where all the announcements over the speakers in department stores is all spanish and all the drive thrus place their best english speakers to take orders and their english is broken at best.

It is sad that the left is so concentrated on being diverse and multi-cultural, that they want everyone to learn Spanish then to make those who speak spanish to learn english.

Kinda reminds me of when I lived in Nashville, I had some state paperwork sent to me. The instructions were written in at least 15 different languages.

14 posted on 01/27/2003 9:06:22 AM PST by cdefreese
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To: Clemenza; Cacique
FYI
15 posted on 01/27/2003 9:08:52 AM PST by nutmeg
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To: nutmeg; Clemenza; Cacique
When I lived in Germany, I discovered that many Americans think ALL foreigners are Mexicans. My boss was a Texan, who called all waiters "Muchacho."
16 posted on 01/27/2003 9:15:32 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Prolixus
Actually, there are a couple of things I like about Spanish:

1. The languange is a fairly phonetic language, which means what you write down on paper is close to what you pronounce in the language. This is definitely NOT true of French.

2. Much of Spanish grammar is not impossible to understand to English speakers, thanks to that Norman invasion in 1066 that infused English with a strong Romance (French/Spanish/Italian) language influence.

Now, if we can just convince those illegal Mexican immigrants to actually LEARN Spanish to at least 10th grade level; a lot of those illegals can't even READ a Spanish-language newspaper or periodical!

17 posted on 01/27/2003 9:29:46 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Prolixus
Multiculturalism is a Canadian word that originated when it was realized that the word biculturalism excluded Native Americans, etc.
18 posted on 01/27/2003 9:30:10 AM PST by BlackTriangle
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To: WaveThatFlag
I'm sure your world will crumble apart if there is french on shop signs. Let me guess, it's not "french instead of English," it's "french and English" on those shop signs.
19 posted on 01/27/2003 9:32:42 AM PST by BlackTriangle
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To: BlackTriangle
Nope, it's French instead of English.
20 posted on 01/27/2003 9:36:08 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: Prolixus
In my humble opinion, these are the only useful languages for conducting business and diplomacy worldwide:

1. English--this is the language of business and science, first made important by the British Empire during the 17th to mid-20th Centuries and since then by the Americans.

2. Spanish--this is the language of the vast majority of people living south of the USA. Even the Brazilians usually have to learn Spanish to deal with the rest of Latin America.

3. French--besides being very useful in France (the French are somewhat adverse to speaking foreign languages), French is very useful in much of the African continent because French is likely the ONLY common language among many Africans who speak a myriad of local languages and vernaculars.

4. Mandarin-dialect Chinese--given the size of China (1.4 billion citizens) and the fact the Chinese government has encouraged everyone in the country to learn what is in effect the Beijing-area dialect of Chinese, knowledge of this language will be useful as China emerges as a major economic power.

21 posted on 01/27/2003 9:37:56 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Prolixus
Two most necessary phrases to be learned in Spanish:

1) Una mas cerveza, por favor.

2) Donde esta el banyo.

22 posted on 01/27/2003 9:42:43 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Liberals SuK; Liberalism SuX)
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To: Prolixus
For M.D.'s, of course, its................
Empuje, mama.
23 posted on 01/27/2003 9:44:06 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Liberals SuK; Liberalism SuX)
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To: RayChuang88
How marvellous it must be, to promote the language of maids and janitors.

Americans learning Spanish, suppress the immigrant population...how can they become acedemics,scientists, politicans,and buisness leaders without the ability to communicate effectively and grasp the fundementals of
education. For God's sake, Spanish cannot differentiate between a rat and a mouse.

24 posted on 01/27/2003 9:47:14 AM PST by ijcr
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To: RayChuang88
When in Turkey, I got by in German. When in Greece, I got by in French. When in Italy, I got by in Spanish. A person needs perhaps 6 languages.
25 posted on 01/27/2003 9:51:45 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: ijcr
Mind you, if many of those maids and janitors can read a Spanish-language newspaper I'll be really surprised. Fortunately, much of the Hispanic population can read a Spanish-language newspaper or periodical fluently, especially in Florida (thanks to the huge Cuban emigré population and the home of many South American ex-patriates working in the USA legally for US subsidiaries of their home companies).
26 posted on 01/27/2003 9:54:25 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88
"1. The languange is a fairly phonetic language, which means what you write down on paper is close to what you pronounce in the language. This is definitely NOT true of French. "

No, French is phonetic. It's just that the phonemes are not what we are used to.
27 posted on 01/27/2003 9:54:35 AM PST by Henrietta
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To: Owl_Eagle
Manos Arriba has worked great for years in my profession......Agree on the common "cents" of teaching 1 versus teaching 1 million approach to "their" problem.

Nothing less than , "Welcome to America Amigos".....now become an American or don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out, will do IMO. Most "legal immigrants" have done so........:o)

Stay Safe !

28 posted on 01/27/2003 10:00:33 AM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: RightWhale
Reminds me of the Napolean quote:
"I speak French to my wife, Spanish to my army, Italian to my mistress, and German to my horse."
29 posted on 01/27/2003 10:16:25 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: WaveThatFlag
Learn spanish? What, and put all those translators out of work? Well, I might be up to learning a few swear words and insults in spanish. Anyone know any? (Grammar tip: don't use an initial capital letter on "spanish." That dignifies it. That makes it a proper noun, when it is actually improper).
30 posted on 01/27/2003 10:19:05 AM PST by henderson field
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To: WaveThatFlag
No wonder old Napoleon had such trouble with the Russians and again at Waterloo. It's French to my mistress, Italian to my wife, English to my horse, and German to my dog.
32 posted on 01/27/2003 10:25:49 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: Prolixus
After three years of high-school and two of college Spanish, I am considered fluent therein.

However, I find I can't understand the guys at my local car wash (or, honestly, wherever Spanish speakers congregate in Houston). I don't think they're speaking the Spanish I was taught.
33 posted on 01/27/2003 10:30:14 AM PST by Xenalyte
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To: RightWhale
Unless my High School French professor got it wrong, it was definitely "Italian to my mistress." The point is that Italian is the most romantic sounding toungue. That's what he said anyway.
34 posted on 01/27/2003 10:42:42 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: WaveThatFlag
Italian is the most romantic sounding toungue

As spoken around the house by my sister's in-laws, it didn't sound romantic at all, but they used a lot of sign language, too, so maybe the romantic aspect was more visual than vocal.

35 posted on 01/27/2003 10:47:26 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: DoctorMichael
Two most necessary phrases to be learned in Spanish:
  1. Una mas cerveza, por favor.
  2. Donde esta el banyo.

LOL - though, I think that the most important Spanish phrase is:


36 posted on 01/27/2003 11:53:24 AM PST by Prolixus
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To: Kenny Bunk; nutmeg; Clemenza; PARodrig
If all I wanted to do was speak Spanish I would not have come here. I think it a bit arrogant of certain Hispanics who come here and refuse to learn English and insist on speaking only Spanish under the excuse that they are preserving their "culture".

This is nothing more than the promotion of Balkanization in this country. The modern 21st century immigrant is not here to integrate into American society, he is here as a colonizer bent on creating ethnic enclaves that at some oint will demand first autonomy and then independence. The "United" Staes is becoming an anachronism as long as politicians pander to the balkanizers.

Like Kosovo and the Serbs we will rue the day we allowed people to set up separate colonies in our midst. This is a recipe for civil wars and ethnic conflicts in 100 years. Those who ignore history and continue to repeat the same policies that failed elsewhere usually have the masses pay the price of their mistakes.

37 posted on 01/27/2003 12:32:07 PM PST by Cacique (An armed people, are a FREE people!! Castrate fags, perverts and pedophiles. We need more sopranos.)
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To: WaveThatFlag
Univision is even better. Even the audience shots of the Saturday-night variety show "Sabado Gigante" are absolutely breathtaking.

That said, I can get by in Spanish, but I speak it only in Spain and Mexico. Anybody in San Jose that wants to speak to me in Spanish will get nowhere.

38 posted on 01/27/2003 1:02:52 PM PST by jiggyboy
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To: DoctorMichael
In Latin America, add

3) No, no soy desde Los Estados Unidos, yo soy desde Canada!

39 posted on 01/27/2003 1:06:32 PM PST by jiggyboy
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To: KC_Conspirator
Damn, those jive lessons I took in the 70's turned out useless. I was sure jive was where we were headed. I still hold hope.

My daughter been aksin me to talk frijole, I's jist kant gits wit it, dag....

My Brad Pitt Spanish is pretty good though....."How farro to the closest towno", "No dinero, but el rido in your el trucko?"

Not bad eh?

40 posted on 01/27/2003 1:07:22 PM PST by blackdog
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To: Prolixus
OPINION

I Bet I Can Speak Spanish
Op Ed Photo

Hello, amigos! ¡El soy quando agunto! ¡Ella balloona balunga espanyo!

Did that sound Spanish to you? I bet that means something. And guess what? I've never had one lesson! It's just that I have a natural gift for Spanish. I was able to pick it up all by myself, "outside the system," if you will.

When I was a kid, I thought a foreign language would take a long time to learn. That's what society tells you, probably because of the anti-foreign attitude in America. They're trying to discourage people from going foreign, I guess.

Go to any bookstore. They have books for learning how to speak Spanish, books made up entirely of Spanish words, dictionaries for figuring out what something means in Spanish. Can you believe people need books to learn Spanish? It sure came easy to me!

In high school, Spanish was taught by Mr. Gomez, and you could spend years learning every single word. Forget that! I'm sure I've got the gist of it. I don't need any classes or books, because I can speak Spanish without all that. I mean, ¡Balunga el baguayo con blinko! Don't tell me that didn't sound Spanish! And it sure didn't take three years of high school to learn. Forget that—I've got a life!

I could see Chinese taking a long time to learn. I mean, look at it! But Spanish is pretty normal by comparison, with all those American letters and stuff. I've heard people speaking Spanish, and they're not doing anything I can't do. They're just talking! Ever watch Sesame Street? They have little kids speaking Spanish on there! Are we supposed to believe these little kids graduated from high school already? Even Alejandro, this guy I work with at the Cinnabon at the mall, speaks Spanish, and he's dumb as a stump! He's barely got English down, let alone a foreign language! I rest my case. ¡Alabunto quénto galoodi!

Also, I live near Taco Bell. In case you don't live here in Monroe, Taco Bell is this really good Spanish restaurant they have next to Video Hut. It's so good, in fact, they opened another one at the mall. They only sell Spanish food there, so every time you go in and give your order, you're speaking Spanish! And since nobody goes to Taco Bell more than I do, that's another reason I can speak Spanish so well! ¡Ellaquanto burritõs! ¡Grandé baloobos! ¡El hoolio!

But another reason I can speak Spanish is that I've been watching tons of Univision lately. Just yesterday, there was this soap opera on, called Ellabungo Juanita or something like that, and I was completely following it! This girl and guy were in bed together, and this other guy came in and was all mad. Just from listening, I could tell that the girl in bed was cheating on the guy who'd just walked in. There were no subtitles, I just figured it out! You folks reading this might have needed Spanish lessons to understand what was going on, but I'm on the fast track, Charlie!

Spanish girls are really hot, which is another important use for Spanish. The girl in the apartment across the hall from me has dark hair and a dark complexion. I bet she's probably Spanish. One of these days, when I get a tuxedo and grow a little black mustache, I'm going to go over there with some flowers. Then, when she opens the door, oh, boy, that's when I'll turn on the Spanish! "¡Allabunto allaquento, senorita!" As for what will happen next, well, I'll just leave that to your imagination. The girls all think Ricky Martin is so sexy, but that's just because he speaks Spanish. When Ricky gets a load of me, he's going to go running back to Spain!

So, until next time, my fellow Spanishers, "¡Ellaquanto paganyo balagoonda!"

41 posted on 01/27/2003 1:13:53 PM PST by jiggyboy
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To: jiggyboy
from The Onion, of course -- I couldn't perform the surgery to get the copyright in there
42 posted on 01/27/2003 1:15:17 PM PST by jiggyboy
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To: blackdog
Reminds me of "The Bumblebee Guy" on the Simpsons:

"He He. El Yo-Yo est grande!"
43 posted on 01/27/2003 1:16:47 PM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: WaveThatFlag
I learned Spanish just so that I could talk to real-life women, like the ones you see on Telemundo. And I must say, it has paid off........
44 posted on 01/27/2003 2:10:42 PM PST by missileboy
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To: WaveThatFlag
The point is that Italian is the most romantic sounding toungue

The most romantic sounding tongue is the one that the hot girl in the miniskirt on Univision is speaking.

Why do you think I became fluent in Spanish?

porque la Sofia Vergara esta buena.......

45 posted on 01/27/2003 2:19:31 PM PST by missileboy
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To: missileboy; WaveThatFlag; Clemenza; PARodrig
The point is that Italian is the most romantic sounding toungue

BS, the most romantic sound to a woman is the sound of a ca$h regi$ter.

It's the same in any language $money$ Talks, bullshit walks.

Incidentally, I speak both Spanish and Italian, cash trumps both.

Why do you think all the mojados come to America? Because they like the food?

46 posted on 01/27/2003 4:44:05 PM PST by Cacique (An armed people, are a FREE people!! Castrate fags, perverts and pedophiles. We need more sopranos.)
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To: Cacique
LOL. When I was in Caracas, one of the things that was considered standard best practice was to walk up to any woman, bring her up to the bar and tell her, "Pide lo que quieras". It apparently never failed, though regrettably I never tried.
47 posted on 01/27/2003 4:58:35 PM PST by missileboy
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To: Cacique
BTW, your screen name doesn't happen to come from that fine Venezuelan rum, does it?
48 posted on 01/27/2003 4:59:26 PM PST by missileboy
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To: Cacique
"This is a recipe for civil wars and ethnic conflicts in 100 years."

A lot sooner than that, sir. I am brushing up on my Spanish...it's always good to understand the language of your enemy. I don't look forward to learning Chinese, though.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

49 posted on 01/27/2003 5:54:13 PM PST by wku man
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To: blackdog
My Brad Pitt Spanish is pretty good though....."How farro to the closest towno", "No dinero, but el rido in your el trucko?"

LOL! Thats pretty good.

50 posted on 01/28/2003 12:06:22 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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