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1 posted on 01/27/2003 2:47:06 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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2 posted on 01/27/2003 2:58:05 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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I think Oregon may have the right idea. They are looking to shorten the school year by 15 days

I don't suppose they'll refund back to the taxpayers 15 days' worth of educational dollars.

3 posted on 01/27/2003 2:58:20 PM PST by Lizavetta
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For a few years now, I've been urging parents to send their kids to private religious schools and/or homeschool them

What's wrong with private secular schools? This article skates around the premise that one can't be moral or upstanding, or for that matter, patriotic, without being religious.

4 posted on 01/27/2003 3:01:06 PM PST by stanz
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Well, my wife and I have already thrown in the towel on public education. After a couple of years of "gay tolerance," the violence in public schools, indifferent teachers who didn't want parents involved and just hearing the crap the kids were learning and, mostly, not learning - everything from pagan rituals to communist dogma - the last straw for us came when my son came home with an English assignment to "write a witch's spell." We've been homeschooling ever since and now my children actually are learning American History and Geography.

I can assure you, however, that our government will never allow us to "throw in the towel" on tax-payer-funded public education. Where else can the left cull and create new homosexuals, atheists and communists? If homeschooling becomes too much of a threat, they will try to force the kids back at the point of a gun, such is their fanatical desperation. Today's News

5 posted on 01/27/2003 3:05:11 PM PST by Types_with_Fist
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Some friends were thinking of sending their daughter to their town's (highly rated) public schools after 8th grade (where her current religious school stops) but seem to have had a change of heart after encountering a parent desperately trying to get their daughter back into that school after hearing not only the language but the drugs being sold in the hallways, in front of 6th graders. I think it now likely that their daughter will be going to a religious high school as well.
10 posted on 01/27/2003 4:04:50 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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And if kids act up in class just drug them. < /sarc >
11 posted on 01/27/2003 4:33:02 PM PST by Bullish
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So many of those who home-school or send their children to private school will still go ahead and spend their life savings on a college education which will undermine everything they have ever taught the child. We need an all-out attack on the funding of public universities which teach lies, communism, anti-Americanism, secular humanism and general debauchery.

The public university system in the United States is a disgrace and is undermining the best traditions and values within this country.

The tenured professors are mostly leftists and have contempt for anyone who does not believe their crap which is mostly propaganda or pseudo-science.

These professors censor speech with which they do not agree and have made a travesty of higher education. The system can only be stopped by starvation of money. When these public universities cry out for money, consider the crap with which they are filling our young people's minds.

If you think I'm exaggerating, take some courses in some of these universities and listen to the bilge coming out of the mouths of these incompetents.

A lot of these so-called professors would be shouting on street-corners as homeless derelicts if not for the taxpayers paying them handsomely to brainwash the young people of our country.

Am I anti-education? No. I am in favor of the intellectual pursuit of the truth from every point-of-view. That is not happening in the universities of the United States of America.

Check it out for yourself before you turn over your life savings to these propaganda mills.

13 posted on 01/27/2003 4:41:40 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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It's all true, everyone! You wouldn't believe the stuff going on here in CA taxpayer funded government schools. It is criminal.

Our children have been spending the last 7 years reading some of the "great books"(classic children's literature) and learning American History, Ancient History, Geography , Poetry , Natural History and a little Greek thrown in just for fun. This sure did not happen in a public school.

17 posted on 01/27/2003 11:54:03 PM PST by Gal.5:1
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Timely post. There's a big riot in the public school near here still in progress apparently---3000 kids plus students involved. Even an administrator has been arrested. What's the riot about? A change in the way the school schedules so it will be consistent with the others.

Montwood High School locked down

About 3,000 students and some teachers walked out of classes at Montwood High School and one teacher was arrested after a protest turned into a riot Wednesday morning.

Students and teachers were protesting a proposal by the Socorro Independent School District's school board to change the school to a block scheduling system. The proposal is aimed at placing the school on a schedule consistent with other schools in the district.

About 40 police cars arrived and police were brought in wearing riot gear after reports were received of students throwing rocks.

Reports from the scene said pepper spray was used by police to quell the disturbance.

Twenty students were treated for exposure to pepper spray and one administrator was arrested for failure to provide identification to police.

http://www.borderlandnews.com/updates/0129-montwood.shtml

Plus another public school teacher was just arrested here in a baby buying-selling scheme.

Teacher arrested in child selling

http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20030129-69999.shtml

25 posted on 01/29/2003 11:40:11 AM PST by FITZ
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I am a product of the government schools (GS). I graduated from high school in 1957 and was exposed to several hundred teachers. Most were dedicated professionals. And I can STILL name the EXCEPTIONAL ones.

* Edna Kleinmeyer who didn't just teach English: She imbued us with a love of language I carry to this day;
* Charlie Kluckholn, the tough old wrestling coach who taught chemistry and gave me some of the best advise I ever heard;
* Charles Huffman, my homeroom teacher who helped me over a very rough spot in my life and whose WWII damaged leg caused him to limp;
* Franklin Jefferis, a "lowly" shop teacher, whose love of a job well done was wordlessly communicated to his kids in thousands of subtle ways. Mr. Jefferis died soon after I graduated. One October night, I “visited” him – alone -- at the funeral home and wept as I thanked him one last time.

But the current GS are radically different from the system through which I passed 50 years ago. Know that my concern and hostility are NOT directed at those who still TEACH -- really teach, really want the best EDUCATION for the kids, want to prepare them academically for the future.

Those feelings are reserved for SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS who have socialist/collectivist agendas or quietly acquiesce to the agendas imposed on them from above. They know that what is going on is wrong, but say nothing lest they jeopardize their careers. Author Thomas Sowell calls these folks "the anointed." And as the title of his book on the subject, "The Vision of The Anointed," indicates, they HAVE a vision! That it is NOT the PARENTS’ vision is of no concern to them.

When my kids were still in the GS, my wife and I were quite active. The Principal of their elementary school chose me to represent the school in something called the LSAC (Local School Advisory Committee) program. I attended several meetings held at the County Board of Education headquarters. I came away from the VERY FIRST of those meetings with these impressions:

1. Those folks DID NOT speak English. Through tight little smirks clearly indicative of the low esteem, indeed, contempt, they had for the uninformed and ignorant gaggle of parents arrayed before them, they spoke in buzz words and technobabble code only they comprehended. At one point -- to the visible relief of the other parents -- I stopped one woman’s presentation and asked for a translation of what she'd said. She was NOT pleased!

2. They DID NOT want parents involved! Cookie sales and PTA? OK. Serious criticism of a course or textbook? Verboten! Your option was private or parochial school. There very little home schooling then.

3. Most of these people MAY have once been educators. They were now bureaucrats guarding their turf.

4. Many of those administrative folks were making over $50K and, though I looked for signs of it, I saw little evidence of anything resembling “work.” And this was 20 years ago when the average classroom teacher earned less than $25K.

5. There were WAY too many administrators in the GS. It is a perfect opportunity to provide make-work sinecures for “anointed” members of the educational fraternity. Four years as an Air Force instructor taught me how to spot the signs.

Here’s the “bottom line:” Simply hurling more money into the black hole of the GS WILL NOT WORK. Most of that money will NEVER get to the classroom or into the pockets of DESERVING teachers who actually TEACH. And teach what any sensible human being – REGARDLESS of race, faith or ethnicity -- instinctively understands to be correct, morally defensible material.

Bush is right about one thing: We need accountability! Perhaps you recall Clinton’s asinine plan to send 100,000 PAID Americorps “volunteers” into the grade schools to TEACH KIDS TO READ. Why hadn’t their PREVIOUS teachers – OR THEIR PARENTS! -- taught them to perform that rather basic skill???

Think about what you just read as YOUR local government schools continue to raise YOUR property taxes.

31 posted on 05/05/2003 10:07:35 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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Abolish government schools and the problem will be largely solved.
33 posted on 05/05/2003 10:15:16 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children)
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"We all know that, if there can be no right answers, there obviously is no right and wrong. No one's behavior can be judged because the most heinous acts can be excused on the basis of what the perpetrator may have suffered at the hands of his parents, the police, the inequitable society. Yada, yada, yada."

This sums up the liberal mind-set in a nutshell. Its very basis is that they are terrified by any Entity who has the authority to pass judgement on their morals.

Hence, they mount a pathetic attempt to reinvent God so He becomes not one who is an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God who has spoken in history, but rather only a convenient figment in a person's mind.

So liberal-ness is, I claim, nothing more than another manifestation of Godlessness.

34 posted on 05/05/2003 10:38:58 AM PDT by nightdriver
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What a bunch of blathering BS. It may be true of some schools but is not true of most schools. Although it won't take long for all the Education bashers to make it to this thread with their endless whining and complaining.
38 posted on 05/05/2003 11:11:10 AM PDT by mrfixit514
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