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U.S Congress may push for military draft
Reuters | 1/27/03 | Vicki Allen

Posted on 01/27/2003 2:55:22 PM PST by kattracks

WASHINGTON, Jan 27 (Reuters) - As the United States prepared for a possible war against Iraq, an influential senator added his voice on Monday to calls to reinstate the military draft, a step the Bush administration says is unnecessary and unwise.

South Carolina Democrat Ernest Hollings said he is sponsoring the Senate version of a bill offered in the House of Representatives by Rep. Charles Rangel, a New York Democrat, who said a universal draft would bring men and women from all walks of life into the military instead of leaving it mostly to low-income people and minorities.

Rangel and Hollings held a joint news conference as weapons inspectors issued a report at the United Nations that said Baghdad had not fully complied with requirements that it disarm, a finding that the Bush administration has said could lead to war with Iraq.

Rangel opposed the congressional resolution authorizing a possible attack on Iraq. Hollings backed it. But citing tensions around the world, they said they worry that the volunteer force would not be enough to fight multiple wars.

"With prospects of continued military action in Afghanistan, a potential war in Iraq, the continued war on terrorism and growing tensions in the Korean peninsula, it becomes clear that we do not have the personnel to fight a multi-theater war," they said in a letter to colleagues.

"Our proposal ensures that all Americans answer the call of duty and that the size of our military forces meets our growing military needs," Rangel, a Korean War combat veteran, and Hollings, a World War II combat veteran, said in their letter.

Hollings said forces already are stretched too thin, as the Pentagon is extending service time of reservists to handle operations in Afghanistan and the troop buildup in the Gulf, which he said is a hardship on them and their employers.

The bill requires military or national service for men and women, ages 18 to 26, without exemptions for college or graduate studies. The president would set the number of people needed for military service, and those not selected for that would serve at least two years in a civilian post.

With the Pentagon against the plan, the bill was seen as having little chance in the Republican-led Congress. But Rangel said it raised issues that the nation should debate.

It already has caused the administration some discomfort as Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld last week apologized to veterans for comments he made dismissing the need to bring back the draft, that was ended in 1973.

With the draft, Rumsfeld said people were "sucked into the intake, trained for a period of months, and then went out, adding no value, no advantage, really, to the United States armed services over any sustained period of time."

Rumsfeld said he had not intended to say that draftees added no value to the military, but that he was "commenting on the loss of that value when they left the service."

((Reporting by Vicki Allen; Edited by Bette O'Connor;



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To: Long Cut
Tell it like it T-I-is, Cut!

Birth of Tha SYNDICATE, the philosophical heir to William Lloyd Garrison.
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41 posted on 01/27/2003 7:51:43 PM PST by rdb3 (Did you know that it's true.. That for me and for you... The World Is A Ghetto...)
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To: Long Cut
"So, the plan is clear...scare the hell out of Americans by threatening them and their children with conscription; then wait until the demand for "peace" becomes deafening; ride that wave into power."

My thoughts exactly Brother.
42 posted on 01/27/2003 7:58:26 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Kathy in Alaska; AntiJen; SpookBrat; SK1 Thurman; MistyCA
PING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
43 posted on 01/27/2003 8:01:16 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: kattracks
Charles Rangel, a New York Democrat, who said a universal draft would bring men and women from all walks of life into the military instead of leaving it mostly to low-income people and minorities.

A pathetic attempt at class warfare here - Rangel is perfectly aware that our current all-volunteer force is NOT disportionately "low-income people and minorities."

This one has all the potential of a lead balloon, but I'd give a lot to hear the college kiddies start to scream in favor of a draft out of reflexive anti-Bush instincts. Not that there's much chance of that.

44 posted on 01/27/2003 8:02:27 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: kattracks
This RAT bill is DOA !
45 posted on 01/27/2003 8:05:52 PM PST by John Lenin (Counting down the days to the Clintons trial for treason ....)
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To: Billthedrill; kattracks; EggsAckley; Tacis; Nick Danger; EternalVigilance; deport; goodnesswins; ...
"Axis of Weasels" Alert!!!

One of our defects as a nation is a tendency to use what have been called “weasel words.” When a weasel sucks eggs the meat is sucked out of the egg. If you use a “weasel word” after another there is nothing left of the other.

-- Theodore Roosevelt
Speech, May 31, 1916,
St. Louis, Missouri.
Works, vol. 24 (1926).
Referring to Woodrow Wilson´s proposal for “universal voluntary military training.”


46 posted on 01/27/2003 8:11:02 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: kattracks
Serving in the military (or in our nations defense in any capacity) is an honor and a privilige. It is the selfless 'path less traveled'. The military does not want to waste time and money training those who do not want to serve, nor would I.

In fact, like any good institution, the military should have standards high enough that simply wanting to serve is not enough. You should have something to offer your country, be it education, positive attitude, physical ability, and/or any of a number of other qualities. And you have to be willing and enthusiastic in applying yourself toward your military career. That describes those I have served with, those I still serve with, and the type of people that I would serve with in the future if called to do so again.

No draft, no thanks.
47 posted on 01/27/2003 8:14:13 PM PST by Magnum44 (been there, done that, got the t-shirt)
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To: deport; tomkow6; Paul Atreides; Poohbah; wimpycat; Howlin; radu; HiJinx; LaDivaLoca; All
PING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After watching some of you deal with that coward on another thread, I figured you'd like this. Check the post I've pinged to.

48 posted on 01/27/2003 8:15:37 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: Long Cut
Good post.

War isn't what it used to be, where an infantryman is expected to carry a bullet hose hither and yon, occasionally turning it on and off.

Even infantrymen need to know a LOT--and it's not the sort of thing you're going to pick up in 18-24 months.
49 posted on 01/27/2003 8:18:43 PM PST by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: Long Cut
I agree with you! I believe the Democrats are dying for the issue.

And the saddest part to me is that they are HOPING Bush and the military fail.

Just imagine hoping this country loses a war so you can be back in power.

50 posted on 01/27/2003 8:19:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
"Just imagine hoping this country loses a war so you can be back in power."

The Democrats have a two-pronged campaign strategy:

1. Wish for a U.S. loss in the war with Iraq.

2. Wish for the economy to collapse.

And, within their limited power, do everything they can to make those wishes come true. In that way, they hope to defeat Bush and the GOP, returning themselves to power.

Talk about a bankrupt (and terminally corrupt) party...

51 posted on 01/27/2003 9:19:48 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: okie01
It's sad, isn't it?
52 posted on 01/27/2003 9:21:33 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
"It's sad, isn't it?"

Sad isn't exactly the word I was thinking of. More like chicken, ah, droppings...

53 posted on 01/27/2003 9:26:50 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: Long Cut
I've sat here for the longest, hoping I could add to your rant but you know what? I can't. LOL! You've said everything better than I ever could. I feel your rant is right on target and have no argument whatsoever.

This whole present draft issue is nothing more than a political ploy...period. I can't claim to know all the motives but I CAN see what it is and be disgusted by it.

So rant on, LC! You know I love it!



54 posted on 01/27/2003 10:01:39 PM PST by radu (I proudly support our military and the USA)
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To: EternalVigilance
We will need a draft. And it will come sooner than anyone here thinks.

The manpower we have right now won't be anywhere near sufficient. When the events set forth by this war come into motion, Jeff Head's scenarios will be closer to reality then anyone here is willing to admit.

55 posted on 01/27/2003 10:08:29 PM PST by fogarty
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To: Long Cut
"Not WIN. Not SECURE VICTORY. Just END, preferably as soon as possible."

Excellent rant, Long Cut, excellent! They care not a wit about the United States.

56 posted on 01/28/2003 7:57:28 AM PST by Kathy in Alaska (God Bless the USA and our Military who protect us all)
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To: fogarty
Greetings fogarty, FReepers, et al:

If we institute the draft, I suggest we begin with blowhard politicians who made a career out of political service.

Politicians who ever cast a vote against a military pay increase; declared fully qualified for land mine detection duty.
57 posted on 01/28/2003 10:52:33 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican ( Pedophile wannabe traitor Ritter data thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/829655/posts)
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To: OneLoyalAmerican
I agree, wholeheartedly. The vast majority of them never spent a minute in combat boots.

I say we start sending those punks in Ithaca, Austin, etc, who are protesting off to duty pronto.

58 posted on 01/28/2003 11:10:11 AM PST by fogarty
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