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Clinton Behind Mandela's Bush Bashing?
NewsMax.com ^ | 01 Feb. 2003 | Staff Writer

Posted on 01/31/2003 10:07:02 PM PST by txradioguy

Questions are swirling about the role ex-President Clinton may have played in encouraging one-time international human rights icon Nelson Mandela's acid attack on President Bush Thursday, where the former South African president accused his friend's successor of having an impaired intellect and being a racist.

In some of the strongest criticism ever leveled against a sitting U.S. president by any foreign leader, Mandela told the International Women's Forum in Johannesburg that Bush is "a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, (and) is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust."

Complaining about Bush's plan to attack Iraq with or without final approval from the United Nations, Mandela went so far as to imply that the U.S. leader is a racist. "Is (Bush's contingency plan to go it alone) because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man?" asked Mandela, referring to Kofi Annan, who is from Ghana.

A little more than four months before Mandela launched his attack on Bush, Mr. Clinton traveled to Cape Town, South Africa to announce a joint partnership with Mandela to battle AIDS. The two are also involved in AIDS concerts planned for February and June to take place in New York and South Africa.

And in July 2002, the two ex-presidents teamed up at the International AIDS conference in Barcelona, Spain. When Clinton embraced Mandela from the stage and declared that the battle against AIDS must be won, "wild cheers" erupted from the audience, the Associated Press said.

But more recently, Clinton and Mandela have joined together to fight the Bush administration's plan to attack Iraq.

On Jan. 7, the wire service Africa News reported:

"South African Rhodes Scholars at Oxford University have been joined by 75 Rhodes Scholars from 16 other countries to form an international lobby group opposing war against Iraq.

"The group, Rhodes Scholars Against the War (RSAW), is meeting representatives of various governments to push for diplomacy rather than a military confrontation with Iraq. They.... will meet former president Nelson Mandela, who has voiced opposition to the war. They are also scheduled to hold talks with former United States president Bill Clinton and with the American Ambassador in London at the end of January."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aids; bush; clintigula; clinton; iraq; mandela; southafrica
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1 posted on 01/31/2003 10:07:02 PM PST by txradioguy
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I thought I smelled the head RATS fingerprints on this.
2 posted on 01/31/2003 10:07:59 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: txradioguy
If this is true, Klintoon's envy/jealousy of Bush appears to be driving him a bit mad.
3 posted on 01/31/2003 10:11:24 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: txradioguy
It's not too hard to see that the leftist rats and the terrorist are running with the same talking points.
4 posted on 01/31/2003 10:11:24 PM PST by hope (Stop liberalism in it's tracks..Buy a gun and shoot your television.)
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To: txradioguy
Questions are swirling about the role ex-President Clinton may have played in encouraging one-time international human rights icon Nelson Mandela's acid attack on President Bush Thursday, where the former South African president accused his friend's successor of having an impaired intellect and being a racist.

If this is true, then Mandela is a fool who has now reduced his reputation to that of Clinton's...a man who has no integrity and compromised the world's security like no other American President.
After these disgraceful comments, Mandela can never be taken seriously again.

5 posted on 01/31/2003 10:13:30 PM PST by Jorge
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To: txradioguy
Someone refresh my memory ..wasn't it Mandela's "movement " that used tire " necklaces" on their enemies and set them on fire? I believe such terriorism is why he went to jail in the first place..so now they are going to make him a "peace " and "non violent" icon???
6 posted on 01/31/2003 10:16:25 PM PST by RnMomof7 (God Bless America)
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To: txradioguy
Clinton may be behind it .. but the fact is Mandela is a grown man and he is responsible for his own words

Mandela not only took a slap at Bush .. he also took a slap at America and everyone that lives here

Something I won't forget any time soon

7 posted on 01/31/2003 10:17:03 PM PST by Mo1 (I Hate The Party of Bill Clinton)
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To: txradioguy
Having watched Clinton for 8 long years I dont doubt this...Mandela seemed way over the top
8 posted on 01/31/2003 10:18:07 PM PST by woofie (I dont believe in this tag line crap)
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To: txradioguy
Are Mandela and Clinton the first Black Presidents of their respective countries?
9 posted on 01/31/2003 10:18:07 PM PST by Consort
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To: txradioguy
Nelson Mandela's remarks can be explained easily. Mandela is a commie pinko and an anti white racist. The fact that Bill Clinton might have stirred the passions of a mentally deranged old coot, says much about the immoral agenda of der schlickmeister.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmah Carter gave Mandela a few pointers on some anti-Bush rhetoric himself.

Carter-Mandela-Clinton, three first class losers!

10 posted on 01/31/2003 10:19:31 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Mo1
Yeah he DOES seem to have forgotten what country was most responsible for getting him OUT of prison. Despite what Phil GONEahue was ranting about tonite.
11 posted on 01/31/2003 10:19:31 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: txradioguy
"Clinton Behind Mandela's Bush Bashing?"

I need to learn photoshop.
12 posted on 01/31/2003 10:21:05 PM PST by Stew Padasso
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To: txradioguy
Mandela is just a simple fool, and no other excuse is needed.
13 posted on 01/31/2003 10:21:47 PM PST by tessalu
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To: txradioguy
Mandela is just a simple fool, and no other excuse is needed.
14 posted on 01/31/2003 10:21:48 PM PST by tessalu
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To: txradioguy
As the drip, drip, drip of GW's eventual torrent of war tortures GW's political enemies, the more they desperate they become.

Hey NELSON! You never deserved to be freed from prison! But then again maybe you are discovering that you never were freed.

Everyone gets what coming to them !

15 posted on 01/31/2003 10:21:48 PM PST by free from tyranny
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To: txradioguy
Mandela is just a simple fool, and no other excuse is needed.
16 posted on 01/31/2003 10:21:52 PM PST by tessalu
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To: txradioguy
Well he sure didn't have a problem coming over here to get americans to donation their american dollars to help his causes and his country .. now did he ..
17 posted on 01/31/2003 10:23:11 PM PST by Mo1 (I Hate The Party of Bill Clinton)
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To: Mo1
yeah it's amazing how he bashed us AFTER he got his welfare handout from us.
18 posted on 01/31/2003 10:25:57 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: free from tyranny
Can you refresh my memory and tell me why he was in prison in the first place? What sets Mandela apart from other people who may have been unjustly imprisoned during apartheid? I am sure there were other people who did nothing at all and because of the racial situation were in jail. How about people like Mark Mathabane that grew up in South Africa under apartheid but made something of himself?

I guess I'm ignorant but I believe South Africa is worse off than ever before. Perhaps if things were done differently? I dunno. Apartheid was bad but I think Mandela didn't do such a good job. His wife was a terrorist that I know.
19 posted on 01/31/2003 10:28:00 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Consort
You got that spot on,both ClinToon and Mandela are both socialist pigs.Hope they both burn in hell.
20 posted on 01/31/2003 10:28:00 PM PST by noutopia
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To: free from tyranny
Hey NELSON! You never deserved to be freed from prison!

I'm not going to dump on Mandela for that .. He was in prison a long time .

But I will dump on his comments he made at this conference .. they were wrong and out of line ..

21 posted on 01/31/2003 10:29:20 PM PST by Mo1 (I Hate The Party of Bill Clinton)
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To: tessalu
Unfortunately, Nelson is neither " simple ", nor a " fool ". A stinking Commie, a terrorist, a racist, and yes, an America hater...he's all of those things; always has been.
22 posted on 01/31/2003 10:29:33 PM PST by nopardons
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To: txradioguy
bump
23 posted on 01/31/2003 10:30:36 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: nopardons
Add to that a legacy of being responsible for turning a Modern Industrial Nation into an AIDS infested Third World thug driven sh*thole.
24 posted on 01/31/2003 10:34:34 PM PST by L`enn
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To: txradioguy
I believe I posed this question on a thread yesterday; I do agree x42's fingerprints are all over this.
25 posted on 01/31/2003 10:36:12 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Syracuse where are you?)
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To: txradioguy
They are also scheduled to hold talks with former United States president Bill Clinton and with the American Ambassador in London at the end of January

well, well, well... ain't this some snake-oil
I can't help but wonder how the last two years were suppose to play out under the Clinton... Gore... plan: i.e., Castro's, Saddam, etc, political play book didn't work. Clinton and Carter can't rely on the American people to get their agenda rolling... so take it abroad??? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

26 posted on 01/31/2003 10:37:33 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Latitude: 33 14', North. Longitude: 44E---> watch for pigs to start flying)
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To: cyborg
Friends of my parents went to SA on vacation a couple of years ago.

Said if they ever went again they would take AK47s.

27 posted on 01/31/2003 10:40:16 PM PST by goody2shooz
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To: L`enn
I agree South Africa was a wealthy country ,now a huge slum. Mandela and his socialism is to blaim.The uneducated cant run a country.
28 posted on 01/31/2003 10:41:01 PM PST by noutopia
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To: txradioguy
If Billary Clinton is behind egging Mandela on, it just shows that he realizes how irrelevant he's become. Clinton knows his Bush bashing words will be taken by the general public for what they are--par for the course partisan grumbling by THE FACE of the democratic opposition. However, by having Mandela echo his charge of G.W. being a warmonger and racist to boot, Billary thinks this'll make it stick. Fat chance--Mandela's stunning remarks got attention all right, but I'm sure not in the way he or Billary had hoped. All Mandela succeeded in doing was come across as a senile crackpot, seriously undermining his credibility.

When the "new face" of the democratic party emerges as the nominee in 2004, look for Billary to go even more off the deep end as he becomes eclipsed.

29 posted on 01/31/2003 10:44:12 PM PST by gop_gene
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To: cyborg
He was tossed in the klink in 1963 (I think) after being caught with a truck full of explosives. Way back when, he was a bomb thrower for the ANC. He became, due to his prison stay, the symbol of racial oppression in SA until his release.
30 posted on 01/31/2003 10:44:41 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: L`enn
Where blacks rape babies and toddlers, as the " approved " method for " curing " HIV/AIDS.
31 posted on 01/31/2003 10:44:50 PM PST by nopardons
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To: txradioguy
Clinton was the bag man for Uncle Soddomite. He brought the payment from Iraq and the script for Mandela to follow.
32 posted on 01/31/2003 10:48:52 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: txradioguy
Thanks for the post ... Clinton standing in the shadows was my thought, too. Can anyone pinpoint just exactly when the X started wearing his African bracelet, and what does it really mean? There were some photos of the X with Mandela in Africa ... jovial and sporting a new-type bracelet. Subsequent photos have shown he continues to wear it. It was shortly after teaming up with Clinton that Mandela started his rant on the United States ... now full blown.
33 posted on 01/31/2003 10:54:02 PM PST by Pegita (Pray without ceasing; may the Clintons and their minions be powerless/voiceless/homeless/penniless)
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To: nopardons
OMG... I was about to post this information! Good point. I certainly didn't hear about this sort of thing before this Mandela debacle.
34 posted on 01/31/2003 10:56:24 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Pegita
Not sure when he started wearing the bracelet .. but he sure has been wearing it a lot

35 posted on 01/31/2003 10:56:57 PM PST by Mo1 (I Hate The Party of Bill Clinton)
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To: txradioguy; Mr. Mojo; Mo1; CyberAnt
RE: $15B for AIDS. Clinton and Mandela are "Co-chairs" or something, of some international or Africa-based AIDS project.

I heard Thursday that the money will be administered by US Government overseas assistance programs, not funnelled through the "international" AIDS organizations.

Clinton-Mandela and their fellow travellers apparently won't have the money handed to them. They will have to work harder to rip off the US Taxpayers.

Has anybody else noticed the very muted appreciation from the AIDS community? I was wondering till I heard the intent of Bush's abuse of the tax dollars.

Then there is the opposite of progress to deal with - Congress.

36 posted on 01/31/2003 10:57:32 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: txradioguy
I heard part of Mandela's speech on FOX tonight in which he literally declared himself an enemy of the United States. Anyone or group who praises this SOB is dangerous and in my estimation a threat to our Republic.
37 posted on 01/31/2003 10:58:15 PM PST by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: cyborg
Of course you didn't, ALL people were treated by Western type doctors and not told that " WESTERN MEDICINE " ( read " white man's meds " ) couldn't cure / help them. That's precisely what Thabo Mbeki, the now president of South Africa has repeatedly said about HIV/AIDS cures, which we have begged and begged South Africa to take ( FOR FREE ! ) from us and which has been denied. Instead, many, many blacks now ONLY go to witchdoctors/ believe strange tales about rapping tiny children & babies, to " cure " HIV/AIDS.

In truth, South Africa's ( both black and white and colored )love affair / delusion, with Nelson Mandela, lasted about one year ; then, it was over. By now, most ( except those getting positions and power from the ANC ) South Africans are yearning for preMandela days. Yes, ALL of them.

Prior to ANC rule, South Africa was a prosperous, civil, stable nation. Now ? There is almost NO comparison at all !

38 posted on 01/31/2003 11:03:53 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Enough is ENOUGH
I heard the same speech clip. I also heard Phil Donahue tonite tell Neal Boortz and the audience that he thought "Nelson Mandela is a shining beacon of truth and light in the world today." The audience applauded. What's left of Boortz' hair fell out in shock.
39 posted on 01/31/2003 11:04:07 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: txradioguy
Even so, whatever credibility he had with anyone conservative is shot to heck. It is sad. I remember this whole South Africa mess watching it on TV. Mandela was the man of the hour when he was let out of prison. Worse yet when he visited New York City and started that whole african-american thing going with the dashiki and kufi hat,etc.

I think now people are going to forget about how people were treated under apartheid, and focus on Mandela's stupid statements and also his horrible ex-wife. No one can deny that it was bad under apartheid though, and I'm not going to say in lieu of Mandela apartheid should return. However, this is what happens when people RUSH to judgement, revenge, bitterness,etc. When people don't reason something out and get ignorant about something, present day SA is what happens. However, I do not live in South Africa so I can't say what it's like. I met a man from SA, parents were Dutch, and absolutely not the stereotypical white South African racist.

Mandela should have kept his mouth shut. Actually when South Africa saw Bill Clinton coming, they should have closed the airport. The man (BC) is the angel of death.. death to people's political careers and whole countries too.
40 posted on 01/31/2003 11:05:27 PM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
Very well put.
41 posted on 01/31/2003 11:06:42 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: RnMomof7
Someone refresh my memory ..wasn't it Mandela's "movement " that used tire " necklaces" on their enemies and set them on fire? I believe such terriorism is why he went to jail in the first place..so now they are going to make him a "peace " and "non violent" icon???

You beat me to it. I knew someone would bring up the necklaces. The whole Mandela hypocrisy makes me sick.

42 posted on 01/31/2003 11:07:28 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (when life gives you lemons, order a bottle of Tequila and some salt)
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To: txradioguy
"I thought I smelled the head RATS fingerprints on this."

Well never thought of it; what I did think when I heard Mandela's disgusting attack being aired . . . is how much Clinton must be loving this.

. . .reading the above, there is no doubt that the 'Clintonesque' factors right in with Mandela.

How very, very. . .evil.

Wondering if O'Reilly has put the two together. . .he gave no indication tonight that he has. . .

43 posted on 01/31/2003 11:10:58 PM PST by cricket
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To: nopardons
I remember that Mbeki issue being in the news for one day and that was it.

Are you from South Africa? I bet South Africa was very different post-apartheid but pre-Nelson Mandela. I lost track as to how things progressed there. Wasn't FW Declerk president after apartheid?

I'm beginning to get depressed as to the amount of things that are covered up. This is why we(esp. myself) have to become critical thinkers.
44 posted on 01/31/2003 11:11:37 PM PST by cyborg
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To: txradioguy
It wouldn't surprise me. Ol'Slick is probably beging to realize he'll be remembered in the future for his scandals and his failure to take our nation's security seriously. A petty little man like Clinton would resort to trying to diminish another president's successful legacy in a most cheap way. Won't work though, Bill seems to be losing his power of mass delusion.....
45 posted on 01/31/2003 11:15:59 PM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: cyborg
No, I'm not a South African; however, my extended family live there...have done for well over 325 years.

Yes, to all of your other questions.

So much foreign news is held back from Americans. That's one good reason to read FR. :-)

46 posted on 01/31/2003 11:18:09 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Welsh Rabbit
I just view Clinton as a spolied child. He can't get what he wants so he's gonna do what he can to make it miserable for everyone else. He's about as welcome to mainstream America as a turn in the punch bowl.
47 posted on 01/31/2003 11:19:49 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: Welsh Rabbit
Nelson Mandela has NO " successful legacy " at all.
48 posted on 01/31/2003 11:22:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Calvin Locke
Sure hope GW puts lots of safeguards on that $15 billion we're going to waste on AIDS or it will be in Switzerland in Bill's and Nelson's bank accounts in no time.
49 posted on 01/31/2003 11:23:06 PM PST by holyscroller (Why are Liberal female media types always ugly to boot?)
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To: tessalu
"Mandela is just a simple fool, and no other excuse is needed."

. . .wish it were so easy to dismiss this man ; but he has assumed a mythic status thanks to the efforts of the 'Left' and acquiessance of our 'Right'.

. . .no doubt plans for his 'sainthood' and cannonization are in the works and will be ready when he is. . .

Some fools are too dangerous to suffer gladly. . .and don't we know it.

50 posted on 01/31/2003 11:25:56 PM PST by cricket
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