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Israeli astronaut pride of a nation
The Daily Telegraph ^ | February 1, 2003 | The Daily Telegraph

Posted on 02/01/2003 1:23:48 PM PST by MadIvan

Ilan Ramon, the first Israeli national in space, was " fulfilling everyone's dream, to be the first Israeli in space," according to Israel's Channel Two.


Ilan Ramon
His father was at the television studio as the country waited for touch-down, with a live broadcast from Cape Canaveral. Ramon was 48, an air forced colonel with considerable flight experience. He was the son of a holocaust survivor.

He has served during the Yom Kippur war in 1973, and in Lebanon in 1982. He was involved in the destruction of an unfinished Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.

Ramon had been preparing to join a shuttle mission since 1997, and joined Columbia as a payload specialist. He was conducting research on how desert dust and over contaminants in the atmosphere effected rainfall and temperature.

The nation as a whole had followed the progress of the mission, and felt a great deal of pride in Ramon. Tom Segev, the Israeli author, said last month: "It's a distraction from the feeling that this country is in really bad shape, the feeling of desperation, of helplessness, confusion, anger and fear."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Florida; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: astronaut; columbia; disaster; hero; israel; ramon
I will post more from the UK press, as and when I get it.

Please accept condolences on behalf of the UK.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/01/2003 1:23:48 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: carl in alaska; Cautor; GOP_Lady; prairiebreeze; veronica; SunnyUsa; Delmarksman; Sparta; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 02/01/2003 1:24:08 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
The Islamonuts would be better served not crowing about this.

We might get a touch irate.
3 posted on 02/01/2003 1:25:59 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
We might get a touch irate.

I'm not Jewish; however if they celebrate the death of this war hero as well as all the other heroes in the shuttle, my temper will explode.

I am out of patience with the Muslim world.

Regards, Ivan

4 posted on 02/01/2003 1:28:19 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Please accept condolences on behalf of the UK.

Thanks, Ivan. It is a bad day, but you give a little light in this darkness.

5 posted on 02/01/2003 1:28:54 PM PST by LibKill (ColdWarrior. I stood the watch.)
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To: MadIvan
Please accept condolences on behalf of the UK.

Condolences gratefully accepted.

Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and may perpetual light shine upon them.

6 posted on 02/01/2003 1:30:17 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: All
From the UK Times - Breaking News:

Party leaders express sympathy

Prime Minister Tony Blair has written to President Bush and his Israeli counterpart Ariel Sharon "to express the Government's sympathy and express his condolences after the death of the courageous astronauts," says Downing Street. And Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith sent his "deepest sympathies to the families", Conservative Central Office said. Mr Duncan Smith also said: "Our thoughts and prayers are tonight with the American and Israeli people at this time of great sadness." The Tory leader was writing to the respective Embassies in London, a spokesman added. Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy said: "I wish to extend my deepest sympathies to the families of all seven of the skilled and courageous astronauts."

Regards, Ivan

7 posted on 02/01/2003 1:33:24 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Thanks for the sympathies and condolences.....

Britian's ( and it's people) have been a great friend and ally of the United States......

The Islamic world is already rejocing in the streets....Word from Baghdad is that the consider this "Allah's revenge"......

So typical and so expected...

Our hero's die trying to advance mankind and liberate humanity, their hero's die blowing up school busses, women and children...

NeverGore


8 posted on 02/01/2003 1:47:42 PM PST by nevergore (Animal House rules!)
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To: nevergore
Our hero's die trying to advance mankind and liberate humanity, their hero's die blowing up school busses, women and children...

Stand steadfast and true - we are going to get to those "broad, sunlit uplands" that Churchill described - we just have to deal with the forces which threaten us. It shows the calibre of our enemy that they would celebrate the death of those in the service of science; not those actually engaged in combat, but those working on experiments to advance civilisation's knowledge.

They represent the darkness - all that is brutal, evil and mendacious in humanity. They turn from thought to dogma, they turn from compassion to terrorism, they turn from the truth to lies. Accounts will be settled; the will, though diminished by time and decadence, still remains and as such good in the end will prevail.

Regards, Ivan

9 posted on 02/01/2003 1:51:49 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Thanks for sharing your feelings......it helps to know that not all the world hates the Israeli's. Some folks seem to forget the tremendous difference in philosophy between the Israeli and arab mind.
10 posted on 02/01/2003 1:55:36 PM PST by OldFriend (SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH)
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To: MadIvan
Thank you, Ivan. I have been on the road most of the day, listening on the radio. I did hear and watch the President's speech at my son's home.

Sad days for the US, but we will carry on. Words of sympathy from your nation are much appreciated.

11 posted on 02/01/2003 1:58:17 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: MadIvan
Magnified and sanctified be His great Name in the world which He created according to His will. May He establish His kingdom during your life and during your days, and during the life of all the house of Israel, speedily and in the near future, and say Amen. May His great name be blessed forever and ever. Blessed, praised and glorified, exalted, extolled and honored, adored and lauded be the name of the Holy One, Blessed be He; Who is beyond all blessings and hymns, praises and songs that are uttered in the world; and say Amen. May there be abundant peace from heavan, and life for us and for all Israel; and say Amen. May He who maketh peace in the heavens, make peace for us and for all Israel; and say Amen.
(the Kaddish, English translation of the Aramaic.)
12 posted on 02/01/2003 1:59:23 PM PST by valkyrieanne
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To: MadIvan
Thanks for this thread Ivan .. it is a sad day for all
13 posted on 02/01/2003 2:03:01 PM PST by Mo1 (I Hate The Party of Bill Clinton)
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To: MadIvan
Thanks Ivan, as always.

Mike
14 posted on 02/01/2003 2:04:00 PM PST by mseltzer
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To: valkyrieanne
Beautiful. Thank you.
15 posted on 02/01/2003 2:08:17 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: MadIvan
Thank you, MadIvan, for expressing your condolences as our country faces yet, another, tragedy; our President certainly has had much on his plate.....as have the Israelis, to whom I also offer my condolences.
16 posted on 02/01/2003 2:10:01 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: MadIvan
Thank you, and bless you Ivan. Bless these heroes and their families.
17 posted on 02/01/2003 2:13:44 PM PST by ellery
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To: MadIvan

18 posted on 02/01/2003 2:21:29 PM PST by Consort
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To: nicmarlo
It's going to be all right. I don't think God has turned His back on Britain or America with piling disaster on top of disaster. I do think, however, He is testing our will.

Regards, Ivan

19 posted on 02/01/2003 2:21:33 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
BTTT.
20 posted on 02/01/2003 2:24:08 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: MadIvan
I do think, however, He is testing our will.

And, perhaps, our faith. I feel compelled to post the following Psalm, as I think it would be well to remember His promise of comfort and strength to us:

Psalm 23
A psalm of David.

The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want.
He makes me lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,
he restores my soul.
He guides me in paths of righteousness
for his name's sake.

Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil, for you are with me;
your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.

Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.

21 posted on 02/01/2003 2:28:23 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
About these banners...

So thankful that the one who left behind an empty cross will sit on the throne of David forever.
22 posted on 02/01/2003 2:49:03 PM PST by unspun ("What is man that You are mindful of him?" - Psalm 8)
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To: unspun
Amen, unspun....and so glad He did not leave us here utterly alone and disinterested in Man.
23 posted on 02/01/2003 2:52:03 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/834046/posts?page=32#32
24 posted on 02/01/2003 3:40:04 PM PST by unspun ("What is man that You are mindful of him?" - Psalm 8)
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To: unspun
Buzz Aldrin captured it this morning. He tried to read a poem about astronauts on television. He read these words: "As they passed from us to glory, riding fire in the sky." And tough old Buzz, steely-eyed rocket man and veteran of the moon, began to weep.

He was not alone.

No, he most assuredly was not. Thanks for the ping to that thread, unspun. 'Tis an emotionally sad day, I think, for all.

25 posted on 02/01/2003 4:05:52 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nevergore
The Islamic world is already rejocing in the streets....Word from Baghdad is that the consider this "Allah's revenge"......

So typical and so expected...

Our hero's die trying to advance mankind and liberate humanity, their hero's die blowing up school busses, women and children...

NeverGore

Dear NG,

Another aspect of the difference ...

There are no Muslims on the starship Enterprise!

26 posted on 02/01/2003 4:13:25 PM PST by reg45
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To: reg45
If Israel - the son on the altar foreshadowing Jesus Himself has a descendant having taken part in destroying the nuclear warfare facility in Iraq, who now has his remains sprinkled from the heavens over the town of Palestine, in the home state of the US President who is about to invade Iraq...

...I hope I'd have pause for sober thought about such a momentus event.

This is hardly a time for gloating in lands of Babylon.

27 posted on 02/01/2003 4:49:02 PM PST by unspun ("When I consider your heavens... what is man that You are mindful of him?" - Psalm 8)
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To: MadIvan
He was involved in the destruction of an unfinished Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.

That would be Israel's destruction of Saddam's plutonium factory at Osirak.  Col. Ramon did 22 years ago what American pilots are going to be doing again real soon now ...

28 posted on 02/01/2003 5:55:15 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: MadIvan
A Memorial I did this morning in Photoshop.

I am using this for my desktop. Feel free to use it or post
it anywhere you like.

The Background was taken by Digital Camera from this
shuttle mission.

The rest of the pics are from Nasa's website.

There is a larger version on my website here:

http://home.attbi.com/~Sonar5/Shuttle/memorial-sts-107.jpg


Regards,
Joe



29 posted on 02/01/2003 7:40:39 PM PST by Sonar5
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To: unspun
You didn't get it. What I was trying to say is that Islam will not be a part of the advanced human civilization that will go to the stars. They will stay on Earth, living in their preferred seventh century civilization until the sun explodes eight billion years from now.
30 posted on 02/01/2003 8:18:21 PM PST by reg45
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To: reg45
You didn't get it....

Yes I did, but thanks for the explication - was sympathizing, not arguing. I took a few moments and read about Mohammed and know what? Jerry F. was right; unless the history's way off, he was a terrorist. Whaddyaknow? 8-o

31 posted on 02/01/2003 8:27:51 PM PST by unspun ("When I consider your heavens... what is man that You are mindful of him?" - Psalm 8)
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To: Sonar5; All
Thank you v.m., Sonar5. It's up on my notebook pc now.

ALL: PLEASE POST MORE INFO ON OUR HERO ILAN ON THIS THREAD.

I'd like to get to know him better.
32 posted on 02/01/2003 8:31:47 PM PST by unspun ("When I consider your heavens... what is man that You are mindful of him?" - Psalm 8)
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To: All
As our President quoted, "Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens. Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one and calls them each by name, because of his great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing...."

http://www.biblegateway.com/bgaudio/english/niv/hurl?passage=isa+40
33 posted on 02/01/2003 9:47:39 PM PST by unspun ("When I consider Your heavens... what is man that You are mindful of him?" - Psalm 8)
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To: MadIvan
Israel Defense Forces Creates Condolence E-Mail Address for Family of Col.
Ilan Ramon
IDF Spokesperson Sunday, February 02, 2003

The Israel Defense Forces has created a special e-mail address where the
world public may express their condolences to the Ramon Family and to the
people of the State of Israel on the loss of Col. Ilan Ramon in the Columbia
Space Shuttle tragedy.

The e-mail address is: ilanfamily@mail.idf.il

All letters received by the IDF will be presented to the Ramon family.
34 posted on 02/02/2003 6:20:31 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Thanks for posting this; I'll have to look later.

For some reason I can't even look at the picture of Col. Ramon without falling to pieces, and all these kids need lunch.

I feel strongly that God will use this tragedy to do a mighty work in the hearts of Americans and Israelis, perhaps to make us worthy of these sacrifices.
35 posted on 02/02/2003 9:31:41 AM PST by Tax-chick
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To: Tax-chick
Wish I could find an EMail address for the other six heros, but I've searced to no avail.

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I had the ambition to not only go farther than man had gone before, but to go as far as it was possible to go.
Captain James Cook

36 posted on 02/02/2003 10:54:44 AM PST by SJackson
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