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America will continue to bleed jobs

Posted on 02/01/2003 11:27:51 PM PST by FightingForFreedom

Wages will not equalize between U.S. and foreign countries for a very long time, if ever. The problem is supply differences. The 100 million or so American workers are vastly outnumbered by the potential number of Chinese, Indian, and other developing nation's manufacturing and knowledge workers. The standard of living differential is also too great. The balancing act for U.S. and multi-national businesses that are outsourcing our jobs is to make sure they don't kill the golden goose (the American consumer) before they've generated an even bigger goose to take to slaughter in China, India, and other targeted markets. Remember, producing cheaply means nothing if there's nobody to buy the products. And no one has been as well-trained as the American consumer to buy, buy, buy, no matter how much in debt one becomes! As a software engineer, I've seen this problem coming for at least 5 years now, but it was well masked by the artificial high-tech bubble through March 2000. I'm not sure that there is an answer at this point -- the genie is out of the bag, so to speak. Once one company in an industry has convinced the govt to open a market in one undesirable country or other, all other companies with which it competes are forced to do the same. Bottling up the genie is notoriously difficult.


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To: nopardons
I think that if Directive 10-289 were proposed on this thread, they'd lap it up. Gives me the shivers.......
61 posted on 02/02/2003 1:20:00 AM PST by 1tin_soldier
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To: DBtoo
What about all of the old bank tellers ? Do YOU use an ATM ? If so, SHAME ON YOU, YOU HELPED TAKE AWAY THEIR JOBS; HAVE YOU NO SHAME !
62 posted on 02/02/2003 1:20:28 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Slewfoot
What do free trade and a world government have to do with one another? Nothing.
63 posted on 02/02/2003 1:21:59 AM PST by 1tin_soldier
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To: 1tin_soldier
Yes and it should !

You're a great addition to FR; haven't seen you before. Welcome...this place needs more people like YOU , who think and don't " feel ". Your knowledge is refreshing; especially on this thread. :-)

64 posted on 02/02/2003 1:24:03 AM PST by nopardons
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To: 1tin_soldier
On the other side of the equation, some less identifiable yet just as real person or segment of our population is 37k/yr better off. Net result, the U.S. is 22k/yr to the good. Multiply this by x number of million instances and we are substantially and demonstrably better off.

That assumes that the segment of the population that purports to be 37k/yr better off does not experience immediate downward pressure on product prices because another competitor did the same thing and is ready to undercut the going rate. Static analysis fails to consider the potential of deflation, additional business failures and additional unemployment. The WalMart effect on small businesses is a continuing example in the retail space.

65 posted on 02/02/2003 1:26:15 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
huh?
66 posted on 02/02/2003 1:31:53 AM PST by 1tin_soldier
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To: Texasforever
Speaking of quality of products, has anyone noticed how everyday household items are of such poor quality and don't last? Take phones for instance. It is so hard to find a phone now that doesn't crap out after 6 months or so. And even baking pans, the coating comes off when you use them, and I'm talking about putting them in a 350 degree oven. It's very discouraging to bake a cake and when it comes out, it is covered on the bottom with silver colored slivers. The same with the bedding sold at stores such as Bed Bath & Beyond, where the vast majority of their products are made in China. Even sheets bought from there simply disinigrate after washing them a few times. Things are made terribly now. The Soviet Union used to be that way also, their products were famously terrible.
67 posted on 02/02/2003 1:35:33 AM PST by DBtoo
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To: Texasforever
This country was built on free trade.

Not correct. This country was built on productivity and trade, but not "free trade" (especially not as "free trade" is used of late).

Tariffs and duties funded the government when it was still within its Constitutional restraints. There was none of the interference from NGOs and little from government regulators, that American businesses and workers endure today. Globalists today shun the idea of tariffs, in favor of over-taxing the productivity of American workers and further stifle homegrown ingenuity and effort with burdomsome regulation and outright prohibition.

The economic view of globalism and "free trade" is myopic because it ignores the second basic rule of Economics: "Second effects count."

Displacing employed Americans with offshore or imported labor will reduce the cost of production, but those savings will be more than offset by the lingering damage to the national economy. Any beginning economics student would be able to list the benefits and detriments of offshore and imported labor, taking into account the decline of exported manufactured goods and extracted natural resources, and trade deficits of goods and services, and would be able to project the likely resulting trends. The conclusion would be, IMO, that America is within a decade of third-world deprivation and/or a full-scale civil war.

The people making their short-term millions now had better plan for their retirement somewhere else, because America is not going to be a pretty place to live.

68 posted on 02/02/2003 1:37:05 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: nopardons
Right back atcha! Get a load of #65!! We have our work cut out........ set your decoder ring for drivel........
69 posted on 02/02/2003 1:37:06 AM PST by 1tin_soldier
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To: 1tin_soldier
It's a shame though when people put time, money and effort to go to school, only to see their field die out shortly after they go to work.
70 posted on 02/02/2003 1:40:17 AM PST by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
Its a shame but thats life, I'm a software engineer too by the way.
71 posted on 02/02/2003 1:41:21 AM PST by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: meadsjn
Displacing employed Americans with offshore or imported labor will reduce the cost of production, but those savings will be more than offset by the lingering damage to the national economy.

What damage are you talking about? What damage? Why is it lingering? Or do you mean unidentifiable?

72 posted on 02/02/2003 1:45:35 AM PST by 1tin_soldier
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To: DBtoo
It's a shame though when people put time, money and effort to go to school, only to see their field die out shortly after they go to work.

Not as big a shame as it would be for me to have to pay you in exchange for something I don't value.

73 posted on 02/02/2003 1:48:44 AM PST by 1tin_soldier
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To: 1tin_soldier
Uh... I wish I were wearing rose-colored glasses too.
74 posted on 02/02/2003 1:49:20 AM PST by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
You buy cheap garbage and expect it to last ? You are buying things made by other countries and THEN come here and complain that Americans are losing their jobs ? You, dear, are a hypocrite and then some !

First of all, WHY are you buy nonstick pans ? Anyone who is a good cook / baker ( and yes, I am ! ) , knows that you get superior results from NONCOATED pans, which are " seasoned " by repeated use. Learn how to cook and buy something more expensive; it'll last longer.

Your sheets fall apart ? What are YOU buying ? My daughter has bought some bedding from Bed Bath and Beyond and it's still perfect... after 5 years of constant washings / being sent to the laundry. Want something that will REALLY last ? Cough up the money ( yes, they ARE expensive ) for Irish linen sheets. They'll outlast you and your chjildren and their children. Too expensive ? Okay, then buy some Wamsutta ( yes dear, an AMERICAN company )sheets, that are at least 250 count and 100% cotten percale. They need to be washed and starched and ironed; however, they'll last at least 10 years.

Your phones break after SIX months ? WHAT ARE YOU BUYING ? And here I was complaining, that our phones break after three years, or so. LOL

75 posted on 02/02/2003 1:49:21 AM PST by nopardons
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To: meadsjn
Tarriffs and duties were used when this country had almost NO foreign trade. Your knowledge of historical facts is sorely lacking.
76 posted on 02/02/2003 1:50:53 AM PST by nopardons
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To: 1tin_soldier
I keep telling myself to just go to bed and then yet another WHOPPER gets posted.

The problem is, that no matter how many facts we post, these people are so blinded by abject stupidity and " feelings ", that they refuse to believe the truth.

77 posted on 02/02/2003 1:52:35 AM PST by nopardons
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To: DBtoo
That has happened over and over and over and OVER AGAIN, in the history of mankind; not just in the USA.

Pity the poor scribes and then the priests, who wrote books by hand, why don't you ? What about the whalers and their families and the men who built whaling vessels and whale oil lamp makers and sellers and corset makers and the people who used to manufacture those little brushed that women used to put on cake mascarra ?

78 posted on 02/02/2003 1:55:02 AM PST by nopardons
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Another thing is housing costs have NOT gone down along with the drop in jobs and salaries. I wonder how young, single women in particular can afford to rent an apartment anymore. I guess they need to find several roomates.

Gee, I keep coming up with similarities to the old Soviet Union way of life.

79 posted on 02/02/2003 1:55:31 AM PST by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
And if wishes were horses, software engineers would ride. I have a friend making over 100k/yr mowing lawns! Get over it and get on with it.
80 posted on 02/02/2003 1:55:35 AM PST by 1tin_soldier
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