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To: TightSqueeze
"My guess is if asked, these special students wouldn't be so sure that the sun, stars and planets didn't revolve around the earth too!"

That seems a rather juvenile comment, and seems to indicate you don't have any real basis for an opinion.

99 posted on 02/03/2003 9:13:09 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: MEGoody
Actually, the stars, sun and the rest of the universe do revolve around the earth. There are plausible theories that any reference point in the universe can be defined as the center.

Earth's gravity has an effect, however negligible, upon every other object in the universe.

Actually, it could be posited that I am the center of the universe.... Oh well, that might be for another thread.
163 posted on 02/03/2003 11:18:52 AM PST by mongrel
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To: MEGoody
That seems a rather juvenile comment...

The Argument Sketch from Monty Python Live at City Center                                    ****

 

A man walks into an office.

 

Man: Good morning, I'd like to have an argument, please.

Receptionist: Certainly, sir.  Have you been here before?

Man: No, this is my first time.

Receptionist: I see, well we'll see who's free at the moment.

              Mr. Bakely's free, but he's a little bit concilliatory.  No.

              Try Mr. Barnhart, room 12.

Man: Thank you.

 

He enters room 12.

 

Angry man: WHADDAYOU WANT?

Man: Well, Well, I was told outside that...

Angry man: DON'T GIVE ME THAT, YOU SNOTTY-FACED HEAP OF PARROT DROPPINGS!

Man: What?

A: SHUT YOUR FESTERING GOB, YOU TIT!  YOUR TYPE MAKES ME PUKE!  YOU VACUOUS

   STUFFY-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!

M: Yes, but I came here for an argument!!

A: OH!  Oh!  I'm sorry!  This is abuse!

M: Oh!  Oh I see!

A: Aha!  No, you want room 12A, next door.

M: Oh...Sorry...

A: Not at all!

A: (under his breath) stupid git.

 

The man goes into room 12A.  Another man is sitting behind a desk.

 

Man: Is this the right room for an argument?

Other Man:(pause) I've told you once.

Man:  No you haven't!

Other Man: Yes I have.

M: When?

O: Just now.

M: No you didn't!

O: Yes I did!

M: You didn't!

O: I did!

M: You didn't!

O: I'm telling you, I did!

M: You didn't!

O: (breaking into the developing argument) Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute

   argument, or the full half hour?

M: Ah!  (taking out his wallet and paying) Just the five minutes.

O: Just the five minutes.  Thank you.

   Anyway, I did.

M: You most certainly did not!

O: Now let's get one thing perfectly clear: I most definitely told you!

M: Oh no you didn't!

O: Oh yes I did!            ___

M: Oh no you didn't!           \

O: Oh yes I did!                \

M: Oh no you didn't!             \

O: Oh yes I did!                  \

M: Oh no you didn't!               \

O: Oh yes I did!                    \

M: Oh no you didn't!                 \

O: Oh yes I did!                      > very fast

M: Oh no you didn't!                 /

O: Oh yes I did!                    /

M: No you DIDN'T!                  /

O: Oh yes I did!                  /

M: No you DIDN'T!                /

O: Oh yes I did!                /

M: No you DIDN'T!              /

O: Oh yes I did!           ___/

M: Oh look, this isn't an argument!

 

(pause)

 

O: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't!

 

(pause)

 

M: It's just contradiction!

O: No it isn't!

M: It IS!

O: It is NOT!

M: You just contradicted me!

O: No I didn't!

M: You DID!

O: No no no!

M: You did just then!

O: Nonsense!

M: (exasperated) Oh, this is futile!!

 

(pause)

 

O: No it isn't!

M: Yes it is!

   (pause)

   I came here for a good argument!

O: AH, no you didn't, you came here for an *argument*!

M: An argument isn't just contradiction.

O: Well!  it CAN be!

M: No it can't!

   An argument is a connected series of statement intended to establish a

   proposition.

O: No it isn't!

M: Yes it is!  'tisn't just contradiction.

O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!

M: Yes but it isn't just saying "no it isn't".

O: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't!

O: Yes it is!

M: No it isn't!

O: Yes it is!

M: No it ISN'T!  Argument is an intellectual process.  Contradiction is just

   the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.

O: It is NOT!

M: It is!

O: Not at all!

M: It is!

 

>DING!<       The Arguer hits a bell on his desk and stops.

 

O: Thank you, that's it.

M: (stunned) What?

 

O: That's it.  Good morning.

M: But I was just getting interested!

O: I'm sorry, the five minutes is up.

M: That was never five minutes!!

O: I'm afraid it was.

M: (leading on)  No it wasn't.....

 

(pause)

O: (dirty look) I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to argue any more.

M: WHAT??

O: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five

   minutes.

M: But that was never five minutes just now!

   (pause... the Other Man raises his eyebrows)

   Oh Come on!

   Oh this is...

   This is ridiculous!

O: I told you...

   I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you PAY!

M: Oh all right.  (takes out his wallet and pays again.)  There you are.

O: Thank you.

M: (clears throat) Well...

O: Well WHAT?

M: That was never five minutes just now.

O: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!

M: Well I just paid!

O: No you didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: I DID!!!

O: YOU didn't!

M: (unable to talk straight he's so mad) I don't want to argue about it!

O: Well I'm very sorry but you didn't pay!

M: Ah HAH!!  Well if I didn't pay, why are you arguing???  Ah HAAAAAAHHH!

   Gotcha!

 

O: (pause) No you haven't!

M: Yes I have!

   If you're arguing, I must have paid.

O: Not necessarily.

   I *could* be arguing in my spare time.


168 posted on 02/03/2003 11:29:42 AM PST by TightSqueeze (From the Department of Homeland Security, sponsors of Liberty-Lite, Less Freedom! / Red Tape!)
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