Shuttle tragedy prompts new look at NASA budget

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[McGruff]

WASHINGTON (CNN) --Amid questions over past funding, NASA's budget is coming under increasing scrutiny in light of the loss the space shuttle Columbia and its seven-member crew.

"There has been an ignoring and a starving of NASA for funds by the administration, and this isn't a partisan comment" Sen. Bill Nelson, a former astronaut, told CNN Monday. "It goes back to the previous administration. They have delayed as a result of that the safety upgrades to the space shuttle."

[McGruff]

http://www.newsday.com/news/science/wire/sns-ap-shuttle-nasa-problems0203feb03,0,2261805.story

Tight Budgets, Fewer Experts Haunt NASA

By PETE YOST
Associated Press Writer

February 3, 2003, 8:59 AM EST

WASHINGTON -- Investigators looking into the space shuttle disaster will have a well-documented record of years past reflecting mounting safety concerns, tight budgets and shortages of key experts in the NASA program.

A retired Navy admiral who investigated the USS Cole bombing will head the independent probe into the destruction of the space shuttle Columbia. Meanwhile, the Senate will hold hearings as the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the House Science Committee plan their own investigations of what went wrong.

The independent panel, led by retired Adm. Harold W. Gehman Jr., was holding its initial meeting Monday at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana.

None of the previous warnings foretold the kind of tragedy that happened Saturday, but they depicted an agency that needed to intensify its focus on space shuttle safety.

As President Bush took office, the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, found in 2001 that the shuttle work force had declined significantly to the point it reduced NASA's ability to safely support the program.

Many key areas were not sufficiently staffed by qualified workers and the remaining work force showed signs of overwork and fatigue, the GAO said. When it visited the problem again, it reported last week that "staffing shortages in many key areas still remain a problem."

A federally mandated safety panel of outside experts expressed "the strongest safety concern" in 15 years when it reported to Congress last April.

Members of Congress made clear that safety and the NASA budget will come under intense scrutiny, beginning Monday with submission of Bush's budget for the agency next year.

"Inevitably, there will be a discussion out of this about how much NASA should be funded, should there be another orbiter built, and in fact, has it been so poorly funded in recent years that maybe, just maybe it wasn't as safe as it should be?" said Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., who flew aboard Columbia in 1986 as a House member.

On Monday, Nelson said, "The last two administrations have been starving NASA of money, and because it didn't have enough to do everything it wanted to do along with its cost overruns on the space station, it was delaying the safety upgrades. And there's no excuse for that... ."

"Let's hasten to add that this tragedy doesn't appear to be connected with the delay of any of those safety upgrades," he said on ABC's "Good Morning America."

The House Science Committee will lead the congressional investigations of the tragedy, focusing on how much money has been devoted to the safety of the shuttle and other space programs and whether the disaster could have been prevented with more resources.

While many of the warnings in years past about shuttle safety were blunt, they were often tempered with qualified praise for NASA.

For example, the GAO said that to NASA's credit, the agency discontinued downsizing plans for the shuttle program in December 1999 and initiated efforts to hire new staff. But even with these efforts, the training of new staff and dealing with critical losses due to retirements are "considerable challenges," the auditors said.

In last April's report to Congress, the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel noted that "safety has not yet been compromised. NASA and its contractors maintain excellent safety practices and processes as well as a world-class level of safety consciousness."

On the other hand, the safety panel's former chairman, Richard D. Blomberg, told Congress that many engineering improvements have been cut or delayed for budget reasons and "some of these would directly reduce flight risk."

In an interview Sunday, Blomberg said that "what I was talking about was long-term safety. ... I was not predicting this or any other imminent disaster."

Blomberg said that "the space shuttle was destined to be our human flight vehicle until 2020" and "every change takes a long time to plan. We were saying you've got to get your act together and move forward now."

Criticism has also come from some inside the agency.

Last August, a retired NASA engineer, Don A. Nelson, wrote Bush about what he said was inadequate safety of the shuttle but was rebuffed by the White House's science adviser.

"Your intervention is required to prevent another catastrophic space shuttle accident," said Nelson, who is no relation to the senator. He suggested that shuttle crews be limited to four people, saying that "if this ... is ignored we can watch in horror and shame as the astronauts face certain death."

Bush science adviser John Marburger on Sunday defended the way the administration dealt with Nelson's concerns and said that even in light of Saturday's accident, he would still make the same decisions. Nelson advocated an escape module for the shuttle crews, a proposal that would require extensive redesign, NASA official Bill Readdy wrote in 1999.

"When we looked at the way NASA was responding to those issues we decided it was not justified," said Marburger.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said "clearly in this case, an escape pod would not have saved the lives of the astronauts given that they were 200,000 feet above Earth and flying at 12,000 mph, they would not have been able to survive."

Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press

[demlosers]

Sen. Bill Nelson, a former astronaut, told CNN Monday. "It goes back to There has been an ignoring and a starving of NASA for funds by the administration, and this isn't a partisan comment" Sen. Bill Nelson, a former astronaut, told CNN Monday. "It goes back to the previous administration. They have delayed as a result of that the safety upgrades to the space shuttle." the previous administration. They have delayed as a result of that the safety upgrades to the space shuttle."

Whoa... a DemoRat ratting on King RAT!

[My2Cents]

"There has been an ignoring and a starving of NASA for funds by the administration, and this isn't a partisan comment" Sen. Bill Nelson, a former astronaut, told CNN Monday.

I would suggest this goes back to the Nixon Administration, and every Administration has gotten by with funding NASA with as little as possible.

[Voltage]

I know it's very valuable to see how ants will tunnel with zero gravity. Other similar experiments must be worth billions to us with our feet on the ground.

[DoughtyOne]

I'm not sure if the shuttle is part of the NASA budget or not. If it isn't, our space budget is something like 0.1% of the total US Budget.

I think it's interesting that we subsidize poverty to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, and subsidize the conquest of space to the tune of $20 billion. Which is it we wish would disappear? Which is it we subsidize the most?

When you subsidize something, it grows.

Do we want our space effort to prosper?

[Dionysius]

Give the Afican AIDS billions to NASA. The African p*ss-pot dictators (including St. Nelson Mandela) are already showing their ingratitude by calling it inadequate and blasting the US. Pay for safety upgrades before lining the pockets of scumbags, because that would surely be where most of the money would wind up.

[My2Cents]

Cost of a typical shuttle mission: $500 million

Value of spin-off technologies from the US space program: Hundreds of billions of dollars

Value of your cynicism: Worthless

[My2Cents]

Hear hear!...We haven't had a President serious about the space program since Lyndon Johnson.

[Voltage]

And the value of ant's tunneling in zero gravity? Billions?

[My2Cents]

Your comment doesn't deserve a response.

But go here and start educating yourself: http://www.thespaceplace.com/nasa/spinoffs.html#Top

[Hanging Chad]

"...Cost of a typical shuttle mission: $500 million
Value of spin-off technologies from the US space program: Hundreds of billions of dollars..."
- - -
I, and I am not being cynical, just don't believe it.
I would put the money elsewhere and shut it all down until
somebody had a worthwhile reason for doing space exploration.
(other than just, "Because we can.")

[Hanging Chad]

And do you believe that without the billions upon billions in tax subsidies, that none of these things would have otherwise ever come to pass? Oh, please, give me a break.
No, the world would not be a dull place without space exploration.

[Hanging Chad]

Would we have umbrellas if it never rained?
(i counter your inane remark with another)

[Magnum44]

At the risk of drawing more fire -

Let me start by saying I love manned space and strongly advocate the US space program, manned and unmanned. I've worked with and for two of the astronaut crews over the last 10 years on various payloads. I also knew personnally one of 7 from the Naval Academy.

Having said that, being devil's adocate, if I were representing NASA right now I would be getting ready to answer some hard questions (I know the answer to some of these, but they will be asked anyway):

1) NASA admittd concern over possible damage on launch. NASA has said they had no way to inspect or repair on orbit. Lets start with 'inspect'. Had this contingency ever been considered before? If not, NASA has a problem. If so, what did you do to justify that inspection capability was not required. Could the robot arm have done the inspection if it was loaded? If so, could it have been loaded? If not, why? If so, NASA has a problem.

2) If we had known about a problem before reentry, what alternatives to reentry were possible? Would an immediate abort and return to Earth scenario have changed anything? Did we further the damage by staying on orbit? Could we have gone to ISS and waited out a rescue? (In this case I know the answer is no). If not, why not? Could such a contingency have been built into the mission, so that rendezvous was possible? If so, NASA has a problem. If not, how long would it take to ready a rescue shuttle? Or a rescue soyuz?

3) Columbia was the oldest and heaviest vehicle in the fleet. If a different vehicle with more capability had been used, could the mission have been flown so that a rendezvous with ISS was possible? If so why wasn't it? (And again NASA may have a problem)

4) What decisions in design and ops led us to be in the situation that resulted in the failure? Would a crew escape vehicle have even worked in that regime of flight? Should all flights be capable of aborting to ISS in case of emergency? This was not an abort option until recent years, was it considered? Is ISS in the best orbit to support a shuttle abort? Consider the same for a soyuz abort.

Being on the recieving end of these questions will not be easy. The fact that they and many others will be asked will anger many here, but you best get prepared to hear them asked. I fear we can guess the answer to many of them already, and its going to make some NASA supporters (myself included) and personnel uncomfortable.

Once again, I strongly support manned space, but the senator or congressman who has constituents pestering him/her why they can't get funds for their hometown history museum or other pork project will be all over this as a poor use of national treasury. They may not say it that way, but the end result may be reduced support/funding or cutting of programs, effectively killing the future for manned space. And the sad truth is that NASA, in part, along with the early ISS decision makers at the executive level, may have done this to themselves.

[Incorrigible]