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To: tpaine
...preventing the excesses of popular sovereignty, while ensuring that local sovereignty remains the best test of justice, and private perceptions of the common good.

If this is indeed the heart of a true republic, then the republic envisioned by our forefathers, to all intents and purposes, died on April 9, 1865.

4 posted on 02/04/2003 12:22:36 PM PST by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
"...preventing the excesses of popular sovereignty, while ensuring that local sovereignty remains the best test of justice, and private perceptions of the common good."




If this is indeed the heart of a true republic, then the republic envisioned by our forefathers, to all intents and purposes, died on April 9, 1865.
-mac-


Would you grant that the southern states were exceeding 'popular sovereignty' in ~any~ way by secession?
- IE, were the property rights & liberties of their citizens who did not want to secede being violated?
5 posted on 02/04/2003 12:35:51 PM PST by tpaine
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To: sheltonmac
The Violence that begot Violence
http://Lew Rockwell.com ^ | January 31, 2003 | Lew Rockwell
Posted on 01/31/2003 7:02 AM PST by satyam
The Violence That Begat Violence by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.


"The President, a Republican no less, seems to believe that government should be telling us what kind of car to drive, what kind of education our kids should receive, how to cure disease in Africa and the Caribbean, how to liberate women the world over, how to fund technological innovation, and even how to "transform" our "souls" and lift the "hopes of all mankind"


Should our president, under a 'republican form of goverment' be telling us the above?
-- We seem to agree neither he, nor the state, -- should have that power, -- which is the point of this thread.

Yet you seem to want the southern states to have this type of power back before the civil war. - Can you exlain?

7 posted on 02/04/2003 12:55:06 PM PST by tpaine
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To: sheltonmac
bump
35 posted on 02/04/2003 9:46:51 PM PST by A Patriot Son
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