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Lessons of Russia's Depopulation Disaster
NewsMax.com ^ | Thursday, Feb. 6, 2003 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 02/06/2003 7:44:17 PM PST by friendly

If Russia's sharply declining birth rate is any indication, depopulation, and not an overabundance of humans straining Earth's resources, is the real threat humanity faces.

Russia, writes Dr. Herbert London, president of Hudson Institute and the John M. Olin Professor of Humanities at New York University, is providing a lesson for the world of the dangers of depopulation.

And the problem of depopulation isn't merely Russia's - the whole Western world is facing a crisis of declining populations. Canada's National Post columnist Mark Steyn recently wrote that Italy's population decline matches Russia's.

"Because the state needs a birth rate of 2.1 children to maintain a stable population," Steyn revealed. "In Italy, it's now 1.2. Twenty years ago, a million babies were born there each year. Now it's half a million. And the fewer babies you have today, the fewer babies are around to have babies in 20 years.

"Once you're as far down the death spiral as Italy is, it's hard to reverse. Most European races are going to be out of business in a couple more generations."

Noting the Wall Street Journal's prediction Jan. 24 that "The world's population could decline by nearly 500 million people by 2075," London wrote in the Hudson Institute’s American Outlook, "As notable as this statistic is, it pales in comparison to the demographic condition in Russia at the moment.

"The most recent predictions indicate a decline in the Russian population of twenty million people in the next decade due to an excessively low birthrate of 1.2 children per family (well below replacement level) and a rise in the death rate because of widespread alcoholism and the spread of disease.

"According to one Professor Antonov, 'Two thirds of Russian territory is settled now as sparsely as it was in the Neolithic Age: less than one person per square kilometer. In other words, east of the Urals, a demographic wasteland is superimposed on the geographic wasteland.'"

London blames "a dramatic decline in the desire for reproduction among the younger generation," explaining that "the prevalence of one-child families, the decline in the number of recorded marriages, the increase in cohabitation, and the rise in divorce are all symptoms of this condition."

London ascribes much of the problem to "the virtual breakdown of the traditional family." Another source, he warns, is an emerging belief "virtually unchallenged in social science that divorce and 'only-children families' are actually desirable conditions that must be protected. An undeclared war is being conducted against those who identify a crisis in the family and a resulting demographic implosion."

As a result of all of this, "if nothing dramatic occurs in Russia, to encourage larger families, the retreat from childbearing will continue and accelerate. Two children in a family will certainly no longer be the norm and, as a consequence, Russia could become a nation of only one hundred million in thirty years (it is about 149 million today)."

This sharp decline, London predicts, "could decide Russia's geopolitical fate. A decline of fifty million people could undermine the territorial integrity of that vast nation." The decline could also "undermine any effort to create industrial market capitalism, which depends on mass production and mass markets."

Accompanying the collapse of the family, London said, is a social atmosphere that produces "a revision in cultural perspectives has led to an unprecedented level of prestige bestowed on homosexual behavior as well as evidence of an increased rate of suicide."

Such conditions, he warned "not only threaten the familial foundation of civilization, but human self-preservation itself."

Russia, along with much of the West, "is in the midst of an historic revolution that is weakening the family, devaluing the role of children, and threatening depopulation ... It is no exaggeration to contend that Russia's future, and perhaps the fate of other nations, depends on the restoration of family- and child- centered lives. A relentless drive for consumer gratification and self-fulfillment have taken us down a path that threatens societal well being," he wrote.

Steyn's outlook is even gloomier, and he blames abortion as on of the prime causes of depopulation. "A society whose political class elevates 'a woman's right to choose' above 'go forth and multiply' is a society with a death wish," he wrote. And "today we're the endangered species, not the spotted owl. We're the dwindling resource, not the oil."

Steyn recommends: "Next time you're in a rundown diner and the 17-year-old waitress is eight months pregnant, don't tut "What a tragedy" and point her to the nearest Planned Parenthood clinic. Leave her a large tip instead. She's doing the right thing, not just for her, but for all of us."


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: abortion; depopulation; fertility; russia
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To: null and void; swarthyguy; Servant of the Nine
Uh-oh, null and void, now you've done it. You have introduced reason and logic into anotherwise hysterical public flogging. I missed all the fireworks and since the offending post were pulled I am unable to decide for myself if I should be outraged. Moreover, since Servant of the Nine has been taken to the woodshed with his posting priviledges temporarily suspended I am unable to read any response he may have made to his detractors. However, I wonder how his opinions could have been any more severe than the reaction posted by swarthyguy.
"May the afflictions of ebola or any other fatal disease fall upon you and yours first and most painfully. -swarthyguy "

61 posted on 02/07/2003 12:27:15 PM PST by Darlin' ("If this isn't evil, then evil has no meaning")
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To: null and void
Yep. Get the government down to its proper functions and cut taxes (for everybody, not by some "targeted" social-engineering scheme) down to where people who want to do so can effectively raise a middle-class family on one income.
62 posted on 02/07/2003 12:29:53 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Darlin'
Bascially, So9 was hoping that Ebola Zaire would kill off five billion people.
63 posted on 02/07/2003 12:30:44 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: null and void
The question is how. Hard, or easy...

It'll seek out its own level, and there are already signs of that happening - the birthrate in Mexico, for example, has dropped significantly in recent years. But it's demented to wish painful death of five billion people because the poster in questions wants more lebensraum.

64 posted on 02/07/2003 12:32:29 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Darlin'
You're right, u may wonder.

Severe? My response was measured. I just spoke about SOB and his family. With no regrets, i might add.

I suggest SOB start the World Depopulation Initiative by offing himself and his entire family. He prolly uses up too much of the world's resources anyway.

65 posted on 02/07/2003 12:35:33 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: null and void
Government getting out of the way would be great. But lets consider the statistics of crime, substance abuse, and antisocial behavior commited by children of single parent (usually single mothers) families. The statistics are absolutely shocking. Unfortunately right now the government rewards the wrong type of behavior and punishes the correct behavior. Your idea of removal of government encouragement of bad behavior is a step in the right direction. Why not go further and encourage the right kind of people to procreate? It's in societies and the governments best interest to encourage succesful productive people to have children. Those children end up paying taxes while not being a drain on government programs.
66 posted on 02/07/2003 12:36:48 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Tailback
Why not go further and encourage the right kind of people to procreate?

I really, REALLY don't think you want to go there.

67 posted on 02/07/2003 12:38:11 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Darlin'
Uh-oh, null and void, now you've done it. You have introduced reason and logic into an otherwise hysterical public flogging.

Oh cr^p! I did didn't I? Sorry.

68 posted on 02/07/2003 12:45:24 PM PST by null and void (*hangs head in shame* I've embarassed my species again...)
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To: Tailback
Why not go further and encourage the right kind of people to procreate?

Jawohl.

69 posted on 02/07/2003 12:47:45 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Tailback
>>Why not go further and encourage the right kind of people to procreate?

How 'bout forcing women on welfare to abort all pregnancies....

Institute a license to breed; especially for those on any kind of public assistance.
70 posted on 02/07/2003 12:48:57 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: dirtboy; swarthyguy
Ah, I see. So, it must be about numbers then. So9 advocated 5B but swarthyguy confined his to So9 and his immediate family. In this case, less is best or at least it allows your post to remain.

71 posted on 02/07/2003 12:51:18 PM PST by Darlin' ("The game is over")
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To: Darlin'
Ah, I see. So, it must be about numbers then. So9 advocated 5B but swarthyguy confined his to So9 and his immediate family. In this case, less is best or at least it allows your post to remain.

It's called a retort, a response tailored to the initial post. So9's comment was of the worst sort, that the world is too crowded, so billions should die so that they don't get in his way and irritate him. Millions have died over the years because of such tyrannical attitudes. So quit trying to play the moral equivalence game, dearie...

72 posted on 02/07/2003 12:54:17 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: swarthyguy
Institute a license to breed; especially for those on any kind of public assistance.

Have the government apply chastity belts, which can only be unlocked upon DPF (Department of Procreational Fitness) approval of the suitability to breed.

73 posted on 02/07/2003 12:55:47 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Darlin'
Play your word games. Well, Less is Best is actually the dearly departed's line.

I'm more discriminating. Those who believe and advocate drastic population control measures should set an example for others.

Hey, go get my post deleted. I don't care.
74 posted on 02/07/2003 12:57:23 PM PST by swarthyguy (There are too many posts on FR. We need Post Control.)
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To: Tailback
Why not go further and encourage the right kind of people to procreate?

And the "right kind of people" are?

No-one with Lou Gherig's disease? (Stephen Hawking)

No-one with deafness? (Beethoven)

No-one with deformities? (Charles Steinmetz)

No gays? (Turing, half of the Hollywood entertainers)

No Møøse limbs? (who kept learning alive during Christian europe's dark ages)

No drug addicts? (Poe)

Straight hair? Almond eyes? Dark skin?

Swell, let the government pick who's suitable for bleeding, and who's suitable for breeding.

Just like any other domestic animal...

75 posted on 02/07/2003 12:58:06 PM PST by null and void
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To: swarthyguy
Those who believe and advocate drastic population control measures should set an example for others.

Funny how they always want someone else to go first. Just as many celebrities in the anti-SUV crowd are among the biggest individual energy consumers in the country. It's called hypocrisy, except that with So9 he wants people to die so he won't be irritated, which is far worse. I think the appropriate response is to irritate the jerk as much as possible, he deserves it.

76 posted on 02/07/2003 1:00:14 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
>>Just as many celebrities in the anti-SUV crowd are among the biggest individual energy consumers in the country

LOL! Living in those celebrity McMansions whose energy use more than makes up for any Geo they may drive. And not only that, they travel in limos(gasp) everywhere.

So much for be fruitful and multiply/sarc


77 posted on 02/07/2003 1:04:26 PM PST by swarthyguy (too many posts on FR. We need Post Control. Please stop Posting. Useless Bandwidth eaters)
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To: steve-b
"I'm not sure if it's because "conservatives" don't think that getting knocked up at 17 is irresponsible, or because they think that personal irresponsibility should be subsidized in general."

Might I suggest a different way of looking at the situation? Perhaps the problem isn't the fact that people want to have sex (and get pregnant) as teenagers. Especially since nature seems to have designed human beings to do just that, and since medical research into the subject indicates that people who delay childbearing experience more problems with childbearing the longer they delay it.

Perhaps the real problem is that we have created a society where people have to work so hard for so little that they feel they cannot responsibly afford children until they are almost too old to have them, and their fertility has fallen almost completely off the charts? Perhaps the real problem is that the average guy cannot make enough money to afford to provide for a wife and children until he is well into his thirties, if then?

To summarize, I submit that this problem is really a problem of government policy and economics rather than one of "values" or "responsibility", and is because our society has agreed to lock itself into a suicidal paradigm.

78 posted on 02/07/2003 1:07:24 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: null and void
The right kind are married couples. Unfortunately for the "alternative lifestyle" crowd(yourself perhaps?), study after study has shown that children raised with a male father and female mother that are married aren't as screwed up as children in single parent homes. Right now the government encourages single teenage girls to have a baby outside of marriage. Over 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock and look at the incarceration rates of black males. My wife and I are penalized right now by the tax structure for being married and employed. We can't afford to have children, but we are penalized for being married. Why not encourage couples to stay married and encourage married couples to have children? Nahh, lets encourage gay "couples" to adopt babies and ignore illegal immigration to keep the population up to pay for social security instead.
79 posted on 02/07/2003 1:09:32 PM PST by Tailback
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To: dirtboy
"So quit trying to play the moral equivalence game, dearie... "

I can assure you I'm not playing. I'm trying to determine how one person can be smacked down for expressing his opinion while another odious comment is found acceptable. IMHO it must have been a matter of volume.

80 posted on 02/07/2003 1:13:13 PM PST by Darlin' ("The game is over")
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