Gun laws a minefield for military

The Orange County Register ^ | Sunday, February 9, 2003 | GORDON DILLOW

[patton]

Hopefully, I will. But I ain't sure of that.

[patton]

LOL.

[Long Cut]

I'm starting to REALLY WONDER just why the police seem to have so many more privileges than the "average" person.

As far as the military goes, while I'd LIKE to have the ability to purchase whatever I want whenever or wherever, I also want the same for everyone else. Just because I'm Active Duty doesn't mean, to me, that I should have MORE rights than the average Joe.

That said, I'm fully qualified on pistols and shotguns, courtesy of Uncle Sam. Thus, here in Florida, i was exempt from the standard "safety course" required to get a CCW. Big Deal.

What I would LOVE to see is someone from Cali's joke of a government forced into giving a REASON for this policy. Be funny to watch them squirm.

[Texican]

Newbomb:
When I was in the service 1942-1946 we went to the second hand stores in Los Angles and bought used guns, both automatic and the old six-shooter type, (bought clips to use rimless cartrages) We carried them to Guadacanal, Bouginville and Guam. There was just not enough 1911's for all the troups. Nobody that I know bought a rifle though.

Good evening and the very best to you and yours.

Semper Fi
Tommie

[B4Ranch]

In 65, the general qualifier was the ammunition. If it was not used in any other weapon then the firearm was forbidden. Of course a few folks had .22's with cans on them. Not a general issue item, but they were lifesavers.

[Newbomb Turk]

It makes perfect since to me. We are going to kill people right. Let the soldier take anything he wants to get the job done. after all who is risking their hide.
But alass our PC military will never allow it. We must only us NATO approved Caliber weapons and ball ammo. After all we wouldn't want to offend the french.

[Shooter 2.5]

A while back on FR, I wrote that military personnel E-5 and above should be able to carry a sidearm at all times and concealed when not on duty.

That didn't go over too well on this board.

I wonder who in the Pentagon or government could write an order making that possible? Or is that one more step to a Police State?

[Kadric]

Actually they could just have the PX/BX sale firearms again. Military Installations are federal reserves, the same as a Indian reservation. The same rules that allow casinos on the reservations would allow gun stores on bases.

[Crowcreek]

"civilian airliner . . . preventing me from taking a backup piece"

You can carry in your luggage if you declare the firearm at check-in.

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"A while back on FR, I wrote that military personnel E-5 and above should be able to carry a sidearm at all times and concealed when not on duty."

I still feel guilty about it...why can't EVERYONE do this, if they've got no record of criminal behavior?

I'd probably ultimately go for it. However, I'd specify that the individual be QUALIFIED, by whatever standards his service sets; and that he NOT have been subject to any judicial OR non-judicial punishment within, say, one enlistment.

Hell, while we're dreaming, I had an idea a long time ago about all service people being issued special KNIVES, fixed-blade, as a symbol of their completion of Boot Camp. The blades would then become part of their uniform, subject to inspection at ALL times, and become their property upon honorable discharge.

I thought that the Spec-Plus line was a good place to start...their knives are both rugged AND easy on the wallet. They are also almost magic when properly sharpened.

Each service's knife would be specific to that service. For example, the Marines would keep their Ka-Bar, of course. The Navy could design its own, as could the Army. The Air Force could just take a Spec-Plus "Airforce" as-is.

All would be serial-numbered, embossed with the service's letters and seal. Their use, care, and cleaning and sharpening would be taught THOROUGHLY in Boot Camp.

[no-s]

The same rules that allow casinos on the reservations would allow gun stores on bases.

oooh, oooh, oooh. An interesting thought. How about gun shops on the indian reservation? No state oversight. No state restrictions. Or is this already precluded?

Consider the historical irony of having to buy guns from the indians....

[sneakypete]

Thus, here in Florida, i was exempt from the standard "safety course" required to get a CCW. Big Deal.

Believe it or not,but in NC,I had to go through the whole damn safety course,including "convincing" a certified firearms instructor that I could safely handle a handgun. This is after being a SF weapons NCO,a graduate of a 2 year gunsmith course,a gunsmith in two different gun shops,and owning my own gun shop for a while. I even used to work on the sheriff depts guns for them,and STILL had to take the damn course. The highlight of which was having some 22 year old dummy want to try to lecture to me that I was "shooting too fast,and likely to lose control of my weapon." The retired Colonel who was running the thing lauged at him and told him to look at my target and then leave me alone. I was shooting a custom 45ACP Colt Combat Commander that I had built myself,and it was/is the closest thing to a magic wand I have ever seen.

[spectr17]

This is why some of us vets fly our US flag upside down.

If I was the commander of this unit I'd be real open to the notion of marching up to the capitol in Sacramento and reminding those goobermint A-holes who's lives we were off to defend and who's walnuts were going in harms way. I'd then stick my boot up their asses until they repealed the ludicrous gun laws we have.

Un-friggin believable

[AlabamaRebel]

Remember the article said "Special Ops". They can pretty much carry any thing they want.

[spectr17]

In USAF CCT we qualified with issue S&W .38 revolvers in the late 70s and mid 80s. Most carried goverment model .45s or Browning Hi-Powers in 9mm. .357 wheelguns were popular for backups and little single shot .22 derringers for hideouts.

[arm958]

The same rules that allow casinos on the reservations would allow gun stores on bases.

The PX at Fort Greeley, Alaska sells guns. I don't know why those in the lower 48 don't.

[Eagle Eye]

Does anyone know which, if any, of the 'friendly' ME countries allow foreign civilian citizens to bring in privately owned firearms?

[AlabamaRebel]

I'm waiting for the day that its' okay for a soldier to go into combat, but he can't carry a weapon at all because he is not 21 as the law states.

Any damn gun law these people come up with is stupid. They dont stop crime, buy help crime.

[Britton J Wingfield]

Most ME countries seem to have a lot of firearms on the open market.

[Long Cut]

See, that just makes me sick. Oh, and I'm supposed to believe that the cops arew SOOOooo much better trained than ANY civilians that only THEY, our praetorians, should have access to guns.

I probably put over 2,000 rounds a year through my Springfield. Probably 500 through the shotgun. How often does a cop shoot his weapon?

Sorry, but lately I've been somewhat down on the police. They've had some rather famous screwups lately, as well as having some not-so-famous run-ins with Sailors I know here in town. The idea, advanced by the Left, that I should rely on these clowns for my safety is starting to sound downright insulting. This article is another example of it. I'm sure that the ONLY reason such laws exist is that the Great State Of California(tm) doesn't want ANYONE not on its direct payroll carrying heat.