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To: libber-tarian
Freedom is not given to us by the sacrifice of our ancestors.

We are "endowed by our CREATOR with certain unalienable RIGHTS." Liberty (freedom) is one of those rights given me by the CREATOR.

2 posted on 02/10/2003 11:06:29 AM PST by xzins (Babylon - You have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting.)
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To: xzins
Not every democracy is strictly monotheistic, and many believe in things which might be considered mutually exclusive.

I honestly don't care what religion you are, as long as you as a person, and consequently a collection of people as a nation, believe in the dignity of human life and freedom.

It is moral ambivalence which has ruined the UN, yet creating a "Judeo-Christian only club" is not the answer. Democracy and liberty should be but the only prerequisites.
8 posted on 02/10/2003 11:17:59 AM PST by AFCdt
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To: xzins
Our right to freedom is granted by God. Our actual attainment and retention of it is owed to the actions of our ancestors.
18 posted on 02/10/2003 12:22:25 PM PST by RonF
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To: xzins
Freedom is not given to us by the sacrifice of our ancestors.

We are "endowed by our CREATOR with certain unalienable RIGHTS." Liberty (freedom) is one of those rights given me by the CREATOR.

Huh? Freedom was NOT given to us by our ancestors? Who the hell fought and died to secure our freedom for us? Although humans may be "endowed" with certain rights by our creator, our creator is rather uneven in allowing humans to take advantage of that endowment.

or are you arguing that the creator favors humans living in America to those living in, say, North Korea or Cuba?

The only difference between NK/Cuba and USA is that in the case of the latter, we were rather lucky to be born in a place where our ancestors fought and died to secure that freedom. People in NK/Cuba weren't so lucky with the location of their birth...

19 posted on 02/10/2003 1:59:40 PM PST by libber-tarian
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To: xzins
We are "endowed by our CREATOR with certain unalienable RIGHTS." Liberty (freedom) is one of those rights given me by the CREATOR.

Okay Vger, but what do we do with all these carbon based life forms ? Just kidding. That was a joke. Actually I agree with the quotes from that magnificient document our founding fathers drafted. Would also like to note, as others have, that being a democracy does not automatically mean you support freedom. Hitler was elected. Saddam was elected. Sometimes within a democracy people are threatened or coerced into doing something bad for their own freedom. The underlying goal should be democratic societies that give their citizens freedom from tyranny and oppression. Which of course means, that some democratic societys may have to kicked out when they elect a Hitler and Saddam as their Executive Leaders.

21 posted on 02/10/2003 2:54:07 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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