Posted on 02/11/2003 12:19:21 PM PST by Remedy
Is it necessarily the case that multiculturalists reject patriotism? Is it uniquely true of multiculturalists? Is it also possible that supporters of universal values subordinate patriotism to wider claims?
One can't and shouldn't reject the idea of universal values for multiculturalism, but what if the universal values that are promoted are at odds with those of one's own American culture? Krannawitter sees American national culture as the vehicle for universal truths. Europeans have a different view of what universal truths allow and may succeed in imposing that view on the rest of the world. Maybe multiculturalism is a temporary distraction in a battle of universalisms.
They reject patriotism of America because that would conflict with patriotism to their own cultures. The multiculturalists are against the US Constitution because it was not written by the "correct" people, they are against the melting pot which says everyone can drop their old ways and jump into the American melting pot culture, what multiculturalists want is for everyone to keep their own separate ways.
It depends on what "heavily Catholic influence" means. A Catholic can look at the old Protestant work ethic which had a lot to do with the original American culture and make it their own, or he can be a marxist liberation theology type of Catholic.
To some Protestants, it doesn't matter. The Bob Jones U. "church lady" crowd, for example... "You're Catholic, you're goin' to hell!" It's that kind of immature judgmentalism that makes me ashamed for some Protestants...
Is it necessarily the case that multiculturalists reject patriotism?
Not necessarily, but most probably. Is it uniquely true of multiculturalists?
American Islamists reject American patriotism. Multiculturalists use Muslims/Islam to undermine U.S. patriotism.
The Sword of Islam ... War Against Israel and the West! Before Americans start pitying the poor Brits (who truly deserve a good bashing from Islam), they should checked their own neighborhoods! Besides Louis Farrakan's Nation of Islam, the Black Panther and New Black Panther Parties with all their black wanna-be Muslims, there are also REAL Muslims and their communities are springing up everywhere. There are now approximately 7-8 million Muslims in the United States.
Faces of American Islam - Policy Review, No. 114 Unlike the Muslim immigrants in Europe who live in ghetto-like areas, Muslim immigrants to the United States are highly dispersed. The only town in the country with a substantial concentration of Muslim immigrants is Dearborn, Michigan, where they make up perhaps 30 percent of the population; one part of Dearborn, called Southend, is about 97 percent Muslim. In contrast, efforts at Muslim-only towns (such as Baladullah, a Muslim enclave in the Sierra Nevada foothills of California) consist mainly of African-American converts to Islam.
Islamists arrive in the United States despising the country and all it represents, intending to make converts, exploit the freedoms and rights granted them, and build a movement that will effect basic changes in the country’s way of life and its government. The superpower status of the United States makes it especially attractive to those who wish to change the world order; what better place to start? Islamists do not accept the United States as it is but want to change it into a majority Muslim country where the Koran replaces the Constitution. "Our plan is, we are going to conquer America," is how a missionary put it already in the 1920s.1 His latter-day successors are no less ambitious. They have two alternate strategies, nonviolent (i.e., conversion of the Christian majority) and violent (i.e., jihad), to accomplish this.
Piping The Wrong Tune "ISLAM IS EVIL." That's the message a U.S. Secret Service agent illicitly left on an Islamic prayer calendar on July 18 as he was raiding a suspected al Qaeda operative in Dearborn, Michigan.
The Secret Service agent had it right: Islam is evil. Islam divides the world into two parts, the Dar al Islam, the world of Islam, and the Dar al Harb, the world of war. All Mohammedans are commended to wage war against the unbelievers until they submit to Islam (the word "Islam" means "submission") and the entire world becomes Islamic. This is very similar to Soviet Communism, which declared that peace could exist only under socialism and that "struggle" must continue in the rest of the world until it, too, was Communist. Just as real peace was never possible with the Soviet Union, so it is also not possible with Islam. Is it also possible that supporters of universal values subordinate patriotism to wider claims?
Simon Wiesenthal Center Multimedia Learning Center Online In addition to active help, many clergymen also protested the mistreatment and deportations of Jews as violations of divine and human laws. The Catholic pastor of St. Hedwig's Cathedral in Berlin, Bernard Lichtenburg, prayed publicly for the Jews until his arrest and death on the way to Dachau. The rescue work of priests of all Christian denominations is well-documented in postwar literature.4
From the Protestant side, the basis for opposition to nazism was developed in the 1934 Barmen Theological Declaration approved at the first synod of the United Evangelical church (or Confessing Church) in Germany. Its aim was to counteract the errors of the so called "German Christians" (those Christians who positively identified themselves with the Nazi programs on religious grounds) and the Reich church government.
The Confessing Church in Germany also provided temporary asylum for Jews, becoming, in effect, stations on an underground railway leading to the safety of neutral Switzerland. One can't and shouldn't reject the idea of universal values for multiculturalism, but what if the universal values that are promoted are at odds with those of one's own American culture?
Administration Cites Recent Surveys Showing Lack Of Basic Knowledge Of U.S. History Krannawitter sees American national culture as the vehicle for universal truths.
Europeans have a different view of what universal truths allow and may succeed in imposing that view on the rest of the world.
Multiculturalism and the Fall of Western Civilization
Islam's Immigrant Invasion of Europe Maybe multiculturalism is a temporary distraction in a battle of universalisms.
SYMPOSIUM Q: Is Multiculturalism a Threat to the National Security of the United States?
Right on-- referencing what you said before, "it's part of the American culture ---it isn't all peace and love and holding hands ----and I'm not sure it should be."
"Over-sensitivity" is unhealthy-- for individuals as well as society. When one allows oneself to get to the point where one's ire is aroused at the least little breach of one's "sore" points, there is something wrong. I'm just a tad on the young-un side of 30 so some of y'all might think I'm still just a dadburned whippersnapper, but one thing I've learned in all my years (hehe) of dealing with relatively polarized segments of conservative and liberal hardliners alike-- a sense of perspective, fairness and humor goes a long way.
The truth is somewhere inbetween. I believe firmly in that. The far right may (will) condemn me to hell and the far left may (will) still think I'm a backwoods bigot, but ultimately it is I who have to answer for myself.
Retracking myself on the sensitivity issue-- man has a natural self-centered instinct, as a result of individual selfconsciousness and self-awareness. For most of us, it's just "me myself and I" rattling around in our own skulls behind our own eyes. It is a mark of higher consciousness to be able to operate on a level beyond that of our own appetites...
And that, for me, proves the dearth of multicultural ideology. Think about it-- the phrase itself is oxymoronic. The movement no more purports to strengthen multicultural (God, I am sick of that word) alliances, or whathaveyou, than to grow extra toes. It's all about advancement of a few pettyminded entitlement-driven loudmouths who derive pleasure from putting other folks down. It's all about-- I don't know what it's all about, but it sure costs alot.
It's so shallow, it disgusts me.
Bwahaha! Yep, I know alot of folks like that...
I watched a Baptist and a Pentecostalist argue until they each got to the point of telling each other that their religion was really from Satan and they were going at it pretty good until I mentioned I was Catholic. Then they unified quickly
Living Truth for a Post-Christian World: The Message of Francis Schaeffer and Karol Wojtyla
I think it's about Socialism and dividing people in order to control them. Also teaching that other cultures are better than that of the white, English speaking males that wrote the Constitution and the Founding Principles of this country helps to destroy those values.
Earlier groups didn't believe they should be denied the American culture and language and religion. Even the slaves who were denied entrance into the white churches built their own Protestant-American churches and learned to read the Bible. It didn't matter if your ancestors were pygmies, Irish, German or anything ---you could adopt the American culture but now groups are encouraged to hang onto their "own" culture, language, etc which can only divide us into separate groups which have no commonality or means of communicating.
Redundancies are always to be avoided.
Not every Catholic I meet is genuinely Christian. Nor is every Protestant I meet.
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