[Happy2BMe]

Here we go again?

So those Iraqis Tim McVeigh was running with just before the bombing were "white supremicists?"

[onedoug]

Islamism, until demonstrated otherwise.

[IncPen]

Get ready for the Iraq-OKC connection, coming soon to a Presidential address near you.

[dfwgator]

When did Clinton know?

[donozark]

Jaynadavis.com

[tang-soo]

This story recounts the Carol Howe story. I remember Penthouse Magazine was the only media that would touch her story. Towards the end of the article it mentions how she was prosecucted on unrelated charges but they failed to prove her guilt. Had something to do with possesion of explosives by her "boyfriend". I think I heard the arsenal was a little more powerful than firecrackers but I could be wrong on that point.

the article does not mention how she was maliciously steamrolled in an effort to shut her up. I also remember a few years back an episode of "Michael Hayes" (a series about a US attorney played by David Caruso) where the Carol Howe story was protrayed almost to the tee. I think that and another episode likewise detailing the Ron Brown death led to its early cancelation.

[Dalite]

Everything I have heard indicates that McVeigh was associated with a group of skinheads that were being handled by an agent provacateur from one of the intel agencies. The John Doe #2 was once thought to be Mark Korenke, (a non-starter), then Islamic.

Isn't it interesting that both OKC and Ruby Ridge were a result of govt wanting someone to infiltrate skinheads?

Make you wonder if their plan for possible martial law to invoke EO 12919 is centered around a faction they think they can easily infiltrate and influence to stir up unrest.

There are some good audio presentations on OKC at this site:

http://www.reformed-theology.org/realaudio/

[Marianne]

BTTT

[TigersEye]

So the "white supremacist" propaganda has popped up again!? I just read the same story in the Wash. Post linked through Drudge. Not one mention of the Iraqi connection.

[honway]

News paper article on PRIOR WARNING on March 22,1995


The New Jersey Star-Ledger
Date: 1995/03/22 Wednesday
Page: Section: NEWS Edition:


LAWMEN GET WARNING OF PLOT ON U.S. TARGETS


ROBERT RUDOLPH


U.S. law enforcement authorities have obtained information that Islamic terrorists may be planning suicide attacks against federal courthouses and government installations in the United States.


The attacks, it is feared, would be designed to attract worldwide press attention through the murder of innocent victims.

The Star-Ledger has learned that U.S. law enforcement officials have received a warning that a ''fatwa,'' a religious ruling similar to the death sentence targeting author Salman Rushdie, has been issued against federal authorities as a result of an incident during the trial last year of four persons in the bombing on the World Trade Center in New York.


The disclosure was made in a confidential memorandum issued by the U.S. Marshals Service in Washington calling for stepped-up security at federal facilities throughout the nation.


The ''fatwa'' was allegedly sanctioned by an unidentified Islamic Iman, or holy man, in retaliation for what was perceived as a religious ''insult'' against Islamic fundamentalists by federal law enforcement officers. According to the memo, the information about the threat was obtained from an unidentified ''informed source'' who said the death sentence was specifically directed against U.S. Marshals Service personnel.


The informant reported that the threat was issued because deputy U.S. Marshals allegedly ''insulted'' Islam ''by stepping on a copy of the Koran,'' the Islamic holy book, during a scuffle with several prisoners convicted in the World Trade Center bombing.


The Marshals Service memo said the agency believes that ''there is sufficient threat potential to request that a heightened level of security awareness and caution be implemented at all Marshals Service-protected facilities nationwide.''


Government sources say authorities in New Jersey are taking the danger seriously and have increased security at key federal facilities in the state, including all federal courthouses.


The memo, issued by Eduardo Gonzalez, director of the U.S. Marshals Service, warns that attacks may be designed to ''target as many victims as possible and draw as much media coverage as possible'' to the fundamentalist cause

[honway]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1998/vo14no19/vo14no19_blackred.htm

Black and Red Terrorist Internationals

Lauck’s friend, former Oklahoma Ku Klux Klan factotum Dennis Mahon, appears to have attempted to put that plan into practice. Mahon, a frequent visitor to the Aryan Nations compound in Idaho, was also an habitue of the Aryan Nations sister community in rural eastern Oklahoma known as Elohim City.

The Marxism-spouting Mahon admits to being closely associated with the Aryan Republican Army bank robbers and to admiring the IRA terrorists. He boasts of his connections to Saddam Hussein’s intelligence service and admits to having been in its pay, beginning during the Persian Gulf War, when he organized several rallies for Iraq. During an interview with a Brazilian television crew, Mahon unrolled and proudly held up a poster of Yasir Arafat, reportedly one of his heroes

[mass55th]

What did the President (Bill Clinton) know and when did he know it? Time for Congressional Hearings to get to the bottom of this ;-)

[chilepepper]

I think this is a dis-information campaign to continue the myth that the white-supremicists were behind OKC.

What I've read is enough to convince me that there is a very strong case that Iraq had a hand in OKC. Why it was covered up remains a mystery to me, other than allowing Klintoon to glide through his presidency without any heavy lifting...

Perhaps to protect the FBI/CIA etc from their usual bungling??

[Pagey]

U.S. Had Data Hinting of Okla. Bombing

Of course we did, and the person in charge,let us not forget,who personally appointed his entire Cabinet in 1992 including the FBI Chief was : Billy 'I'm only into this for the Power' Jeff Doo-Dad Clintoon. The election of 1992 was the beginning of the end of America as we know it.(Also: "Go buy some Duct tape and plastic", I've never heard anything so irrational in my entire life.Listening to a former Mossad member on Hugh Hewitts Radio Show last night, he described how that simply won't work in America.It works in Israel because they live in "Solid Concrete Homes".We in America live in "Wood and Compressed Wood homes".Sheesh, I had a 'Yechhhhh' feeling in my stomach when he said that.)

[honway]

McCurtain Daily Gazette (Idabel, Oklahoma)

1 July 1997

THE REV. ROBERT MILLAR IDENTIFIED AS FBI INFORMANT

By J.D. Cash

Tulsa-- Near pandemonium broke out in a federal courtroom here Monday when a senior agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shocked observers by telling the court that the spiritual leader of Elohim City, the Rev. Robert Millar, was a confidential informant for the FBI.

The McCurtain Daily Gazette has long been reporting that Elohim City is a religious and paramilitary compound in east-central Oklahoma that is frequented by some of the most dangerous members of the neo-Nazi iunderground in the United States and Canada.

Although residents of the cult have continued to deny it publicly, the Gazette has reported that its sources believe one of those shadowy figures was Timothy McVeigh.

Stories published in this newspaper have also exposed Elohim City as the center of a wide-ranging conspiracy to overthrow the federal government by members of a group called the Aryan Republican Army.

Several of those members have since been arrested on charges related to a string of bank robberies across the midwestern United States.

The incredible revelation that the leader of Elohim City himself was part of a government intelligence operation came during a pre-trial hearing associated with the upcoming trial of another confidential informant and frequenter of the compound, Carol E. Howe.

Howe, a former Tulsa beauty queen, debutante and one-time paid undercover informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, is scheduled to stand trial later this month for conspiracy charges associated with making bomb threats and possession of bomb-making components.

Howe was indicted shortly after the Gazette reported that she intended to be a key witness in the trial of Timothy McVeigh.

U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch, who presided over the McVeigh trial, refused to let Howe testify in Denver-- ruling that her information that Elohim City was the center of the bombing conspiracy "might confuse the jury."

Under questioning Monday by Howe attorney Clark Brewster of Tulsa, Special Agent Peter Rickel stunned everyone when he reluctantly admitted that the man Elohim City cult members call "Grandpa" is really a cooperating source for the FBI.

Millar's status as a confidential informant began in the fall of 1994. The FBI admitted in court that Millar was a paid confidential informant, although the amount of his paycheck was not revealed.

When Rickel disclosed this startling information, a senior FBI agent and several U.S. attorneys bolted from the courtroom in an agitated state.

Millar's encampment was heretofore considered by experts in domestic terrorism to be the "Switzerland" of the neo-Nazi movement in the United States.

Elohim City, a 1,000-acre area of rolling timberland, is the residence of some 80 followers. But more importantly, it has played host to some of this nation's most notable subversives.

Thus Millar's position as a mole for the FBI could explain why the compound has never been raided.

Despite its use as a hideout for gunrunners, drug dealers, bank robbers and suspected members of the conspiracy that bombed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Elohim City has enjoyed a reputation as a place fugitives can live without fear of arrest.

In the weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing, BATF agent Angela Findley had planned to raid the compound and arrest its security advisor, Andreas carl Strassmeir.

Strassmeir, an illegal alien who migrated to Elohim City from Germany, was supected by Findley of converting semi-automatic weapons to machine guns as well as plotting with other Elohim City residents and visitors to bomb federal installations.

Carol Howe reported to Findley during the time she worked for the BATF.

Howe told Findley that Strassmeir was the ringleader in the plot to bomb the Oklahoma City federal building and that Millar was preaching twice a day to his flock that the group had to act by April 19, 1995, or they would end up like the Branch Davidians in Waco.

The arrest of Strassmeir was scrubbed after senior members of the BATF, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office met in February, 1995 and discussed Findley's plan.

Sources have told the Gazette that Strassmeir was also an important source of intelligence for the U.S. government.

In January, 1996, shortly after it was discovered that it was Strassmeir that Timothy McVeigh had called for in the days before the bombing, the German national fled to his native Berlin with the aid of German intelligence officers.

With Millar now exposed, the loss of Elohim City as a virtual nest of spies for the U.S. intelligence community is almost assured.

But such a loss could have consequences far beyond the obvious.

If Millar was reporting a wider conspiracy to bomb the Oklahoma City federal building, and those reports were not subsequently turned over to Timothy McVeigh's defense team, then the withholding of such critical information by the FBI could get McVeigh a new trial.

Those reports, as well as Howe's, will likely be sought by the defense teams for both McVeigh and Terry Nichols and may also be subpoenaed by the grand jury convened in Oklahoma City to investigate the bombing.

Also those reports could prove important in several civil suits that are pending against the government for its alleged failure to notify the occupants of the Murrah building that there was a heightened risk of danger on April 19, 1995. And Congress is also looking into the government's intelligence role in the bombing.

Calls to the compound to get Millar's comments about the situation were not returned.

END OF STORY