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Stars and strife over US policy at Paris show (VOMITING TILL YOU DIE ALERT)
The Times ^ | February 12, 2003 | Charles Bremner and Marie Tourres

Posted on 02/11/2003 3:22:00 PM PST by MadIvan

GIVEN the acrid Franco-American atmosphere, the huge stars and stripes looked like a provocation draping the wall yesterday at the Paris classic motor show.

Hanging above a 1950s Chevrolet Corvette, the scene symbolised everything that the French love about the United States — the spirit, style and energy of the home of les belles americaines, as older US cars are called.

Despite the big chill between Paris and Washington, the fans were busy ogling American cars yesterday, but most were distinguishing between a fondness for things American and disapproval of President Bush over Iraq.

Francois Lempereur, 28, a communications professional examining a 1930s Cord L29, said: “I am generally pro-American, but I don’t understand them any more. They’re incredibly arrogant. Americans go too quickly to the extreme. They are determined to deploy their enormous armada against puny Iraqi resistance like a heavyweight going up against a child.”

M Lempereur’s views were echoed across France yesterday as the country registered the fall-out from President Chirac’s attempts to forge a coalition with Berlin, Moscow and others to stall the American march to Baghdad.

The French, from Alain Juppé, leader of M Chirac’s UMP party, to visitors to the motor show in the cavernous Porte de Versailles exhibition centre, rejected American anger, reflected in vitriolic anti-French media attacks, and held their ground. Mr Juppé, a former Prime Minister who is M Chirac’s political heir apparent, said that France was doing its duty standing up to its ally on principle but had no illusions about the likelihood that the Americans would go to war regardless.

“I would say that today, there is a greater chance, a greater risk, that the war will take place rather than it won’t take place,” he said.

He did not accept American charges of ingratitude. “Nobody has forgotten the debt of blood that we have towards them and the fact that we fought in the same camp, on the side of freedom, during the whole Cold War.” The same thoughts were common at the Retro Mobile show.

Charlotte Tucduale, 52, said: “I really like the Americans and am grateful that they fought for us when there wasn’t any other alternative. But they must know what the price of a life is in Iraq. I think all the diplomatic alternatives have not been tried. It would not be in France’s interest to change its line now. That would be losing face.”

Outright anti-American feeling was also on show. Gilles Teulade, 40, a landscape designer, declined to be photographed by a Chrysler, preferring a 1931 Bugatti. “I have chosen my camp. I think our Gallic spirit is being given full expression at the moment,” he said, likening France’s stand to that of Asterix, the cartoon Gaul, against the Roman Empire. “We are sticking to our position. We are right and other countries are joining us now. We will stand up together against the Americans who are only fighting for oil. We are not fools.”

Daniel Dehenain, 42, a Belgian businessman and collector of belles americaines, said: “I adore the USA and their postive culture. I go there several times a year and am 100 per cent pro-American.

“But Bush is overdoing it. I am very happy that Belgium has lined up with the French and the Germans.” Marie-Claire Fairy, 58, said that Mr Bush was right to start a war quickly. “Saddam is a dictator and a liar and is hiding things. I am a pro-American in the soul. I was born at Sainte Mere l’Eglise. There, we remember why we adore the Americans.” The Normandy village was the site of the American paratroop assault hours before the D-Day landings of June 1944.

There were also signs of the unease that is being felt increasingly over the consequences for France of being banished from American favour after an Iraqi war. “It’s fine to oppose Bush, but we’d better not need the Americans to help us again for a while,” Beatrice Lenoir, 25, a secretary, said. The symbolism of the Normandy landings was widely evoked in France yesterday after the New York Post ran a front-page picture of American graves at the Colville US War Cemetery on Monday and accused France of forgetting its debt.

The Times received a call from Marianne Vanura, a member of an association, whose members pledge to keep fresh flowers permanently on the grave of a chosen American soldier. “When I saw that they were saying France had forgotten, it made me cry,” said Mme Van Ura, 50, who lives in the western Paris suburbs. “It is simply not true that we have forgotten them.” Mr Bush’s policy, she said, had nothing to do with the alliance with America, going back to Benjamin Franklin’s ambassadorship to Paris and Lafayette’s army in the War of Independence.

A new poll for Le Figaro yesterday said that almost three quarters of people thought that France should impose its United Nations veto against any war resolution, but a third thought that the row with Washington was bad for France’s place in the world.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; cars; chirac; france; iraq; saddam; toobadforneocons; uk; us
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Just another insight into the French "mind". Glad we're not them.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/11/2003 3:22:00 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Blue Scourge; PhiKapMom; carl in alaska; Cautor; GOP_Lady; prairiebreeze; veronica; SunnyUsa; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 02/11/2003 3:22:18 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
They didn't seem to mind when we were bombing "puny" Yugoslavia.
3 posted on 02/11/2003 3:25:31 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Ivory Coast isn't exactly a military heavyweight, either.
5 posted on 02/11/2003 3:40:48 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: MadIvan
"...Lafayette’s army in the War of Independence..."

Um, that was Washington's American Army. They might need to take a closer look at there history books. OR, the frog revisionist historians have really changed it, just like they think they liberated France in 1944, not Britain and America.
6 posted on 02/11/2003 3:41:13 PM PST by uncbuck (Sen Lawyers, Guns and Money.)
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To: MadIvan
“Nobody has forgotten the debt of blood that we have towards them and the fact that we fought in the same camp, on the side of freedom, during the whole Cold War.”

What exactly did they do during the Cold War besides dropping out of the Nato military structure in the late '60's, forcing us to spend a fortune relocating our bases?

That's just like the French to take credit for something that they had little to do with. I'll bet that after we kick Saddam's rear end they'll claim that they were in on that, too.

7 posted on 02/11/2003 3:41:20 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: MadIvan
We will stand up together against the Americans who are only fighting for oil. We are not fools

Ivan, what strikes me is how little these French and German interviewees in various articles seem wholly unaware of their own countries pecuniary and craven political interests behind the positions. Maybe its just an example of American media mischief selecting reflexive contrarian positions.

8 posted on 02/11/2003 3:41:34 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Neither was Rwanda, but that didn't stop their cronies, the Hutus from slaughtering 1 million Tutsis.
9 posted on 02/11/2003 3:44:10 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MadIvan
As the french would say..."OUI...OUI!"...or as I would say..."WEE WEE"...in thier pants as they launch a Pythonic Cow into thier silk underwear...JMHO....grin

FMCDH

10 posted on 02/11/2003 3:45:11 PM PST by nothingnew (the pendulum always swings back and the socialists are now in the pit)
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To: MadIvan
They are determined to deploy their enormous armada against puny Iraqi resistance like a heavyweight going up against a child.

Maybe Francois would be happier if we let the Iraqis duke it out with somebody more their size - when he puts on a pack and picks up a rifle and volunteers to join the French army in this effort, I'll be more impressed. Until then this budding Napoleon might be reminded that the most humane war is one that is over with quicky and causes the fewest casualties on BOTH sides. Austerlitz and Borodino were evenly-matched, bloody, and French. The Gulf War was none of these.

11 posted on 02/11/2003 3:45:41 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: MadIvan
the row with Washington was bad for France’s place in the world.

France has a place in the world?
Not any more.
12 posted on 02/11/2003 3:46:27 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: dfwgator
Rather unsporting of them, I must say.
13 posted on 02/11/2003 3:48:34 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Especially when their leader at the time, Francois Mitterrand stated, "In a country like Rwanda, a genocide is not important."
14 posted on 02/11/2003 3:50:02 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MadIvan
Many Europeans, notably the French, were thrilled with the pseudo-sophisticated and pseudo-aristocratic Kennedy and with the manipulative, careless and uncaring, utterly immoral, sociopathic Cliton, so impressed are they with appearances.

However they a can not recognize The Hero, George Bush, The Great Leader that the world desperately needs, when he appears before them, so entrapped are they in the quagmire of decadence and so blinded are they by its confusion.

15 posted on 02/11/2003 3:55:55 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: MadIvan
There were also signs of the unease that is being felt increasingly over the consequences for France of being banished from American favour after an Iraqi war. “It’s fine to oppose Bush, but we’d better not need the Americans to help us again for a while,” Beatrice Lenoir, 25, a secretary, said.

Oh, no, not just for a while. How about never again. And don't you forget it, Mlle. Lenoir.

16 posted on 02/11/2003 4:01:39 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: MadIvan
They may have lost the war, but the Nazis won in the end. We're dealing with two Socialist countries with Socialist leaders. Our leaders have foolishly trusted these countries when they really don't deserve it, and this is what we get. I think it's very simple.
17 posted on 02/11/2003 4:05:16 PM PST by Darheel (Visit the strange and wonderful.)
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To: MadIvan
"...We are right and other countries are joining us now. We will stand up together against the Americans who are only fighting for oil. We are not fools.”

Ah, ze Fwench. Zey are so dwoll.

18 posted on 02/11/2003 4:06:08 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: MadIvan
We will stand up together against the Americans who are only fighting for oil.

Interesting comment coming from an automobile collector.

19 posted on 02/11/2003 4:09:27 PM PST by Fraulein
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To: Fraulein
Yes, especially since it's their oil they percieve we are going after. They may think they are sophisticated and deep but these past months have shown us that they are shallow little sniviling children who can't understand a moral undertaking without assuming that we must have their shallow interests too.
20 posted on 02/11/2003 4:50:49 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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