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North Korean ICBM 'Shocker' Known Since 1999
NewsMax.com ^ | Feb.13, 2003 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 2/13/2003, 4:07:16 PM by conservativecorner

Like Capt. Renault in the movie classic "Casablanca," mainstream journalists are pretending to be "shocked, shocked" this morning to discover that North Korea has intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons to the United States.

And by some accounts, the Bush administration's claim yesterday that this development is old news is just disingenuous White House spin.

But Bush officials are correct, and there's a paper trail that backs them up. In fact, news that North Korea had ICBM's capable of reaching across the Pacific dates back to at least 1999, a full two years before Bill Clinton left the White House.

It's just that at the time, journalists decided not to report on Pyongyang's newfound missile capabilities. Such news, after all, would have torpedoed Clinton administration claims that their diplomacy had succeeded in ending North Korea's nuclear threat.

But a 1999 congressional study warned, "North Korea can now strike the United States with a missile that could deliver high explosive, chemical, biological, or possibly nuclear weapons. Currently, the United States is unable to defend against this threat."

The bombshell news was released in a report by the House North Korea Advisory Group, which was chaired by Rep. Benjamin A. Gilman, R-N.Y. Members of the panel included Rep. Doug Bereuter, R-Neb., then chairman of the Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific, Rep. Porter J. Goss, R-Fla., chairman of Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and Christopher Cox, R-Calif., then chairman of the Republican Policy Committee.

As NewsMax.com reported last October, their report warned:

"In the last five years, North Korea's missile capabilities have improved dramatically. North Korea has produced, deployed and exported missiles to Iran and Pakistan, launched a three-stage missile [Taepo Dong 1], and continues to develop a larger and more powerful missile [Taepo Dong 2].

"Unlike five years ago, North Korea can now strike the United States with a missile that could deliver high explosive, chemical, biological, or possibly nuclear weapons. Currently, the United States is unable to defend against this threat."

The report also featured a bar graph that showed a direct correlation between increases in Clinton administration aid and North Korea's enhanced ICBM capacity.

The Advisory Group contended that under the Clinton administration, North Korea had become "the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid in the Asia-Pacific region."

"In an astonishing reversal of nine previous U.S. administrations, the Clinton-Gore administration, in 1994, committed not only to provide foreign aid for North Korea, but to earmark that aid primarily for the construction of nuclear reactors worth up to $6 billion," the House report noted.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
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The Arkansas Mafia strikes again!
1 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:07:16 PM by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
It's just that at the time, journalists decided not to report on Pyongyang's newfound missile capabilities. Such news, after all, would have torpedoed Clinton administration claims that their diplomacy had succeeded in ending North Korea's nuclear threat.

This is exactly correct. In fact, Klinton liked to run around and talk about how sucessful his "Sushine Policy" with the evil DPRK was - when in fact it was all a ruse and built on a house of cards, further built upon lies. Now we also are finding out that the Liberals in South Korea paid the North off to meet them! We all knew about the multi-staged rocket tests here on FR in 1999, but no one in the mainstream media cared to mention it.

2 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:19:42 PM by KC_Conspirator
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To: conservativecorner
It has been know since 1994 in some circles.
3 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:21:07 PM by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always Flexable)
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To: conservativecorner
Continued proof that a biased liberal media is a DANGER to the security of this country.
4 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:24:42 PM by Mr. K (all your (OPTIONAL TAG LINE) are belong to us)
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To: conservativecorner
Defectors from North Korea have stated in the South Korean press that there have been all kinds of dangerous things developed in the DPRK even in light of the Clinton Agreements with North Korea and promises to behave (and incredibly being paid $$millions$$ in oil, gas, food and nuke development). They also state the Clinton team were amateurs, and were really fooled when they visited Yongbyon on inspection missions. These North Koreans played good shell games and flattered their guests (mass games, banquets, maybe even prostitutes) and in the field acted like they must have gone to the same 'Fool the International Inspectors School' that the Iraqis went to.

All of this damning stuff on Clinton, Albright and Carter about North Korea is out there, but most of it is floating around in Japanese or Korean, and would never have been noticed in the US at the time because of so little interest in Asia. (Some opposition/conservative wing South Korean parliamentarians might be a good place to start: hint).

5 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:28:42 PM by AmericanInTokyo
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To: bmwcyle
And Jimmy Carter continues to carry water for Clinton's failed PRK policy. You have to think that Democrats really do hate America so much that they are subconciously compelled to help the most hostile and barbaric regimes in the world to destroy the U.S. with nuclear weapons.

Dem pols are sick self-hating suicidal morons.
6 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:28:56 PM by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

7 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:31:33 PM by AmericanInTokyo
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To: conservativecorner
Truly amazing stuff. Everyone criticizes Bush for unnecessarily withdrawing from the ABM for some unneeded missile defense...in Alaska no less ("the russians ren't our enemies" they say). Now we learn what all that was probably about.

Next, a state of the union address. We're fighting Al-Quaeda but then seemingly out of nowhere comes the axis of evil - Iraq, Iran, North Korea.

Next, we learn that we know North Korea has been developing Nukes...slight hint as to why it was on Bush's list.

All this, and yet people refuse to think that Bush might know someting about Iraq that we don't...doh! I am sure Susan Sarandon knows better, or the French public peraps...

It is so frsutrating...what I wanna know is when does the shoe drop r.e. Iran? It seems clear to me that the list of countries on the axis-of-evil was carefully formulated.

Ax.

8 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:33:29 PM by Axolotl
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To: AmericanInTokyo
That third stage really made a difference. Now if China would only give them Loral parts.
9 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:34:24 PM by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always Flexable)
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To: conservativecorner
If we're ever hit by nukes -- and there is a nonzero chance we will be sometime during this war -- those deaths can be laid directly at the feet of Bill Clinton and his Hollywood, etc., enablers. They sold us out. On purpose. Sacrificed millions of their countrymen. For what? Bastards.
10 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:39:44 PM by LibWhacker
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To: George W. Bush
Wouldn't be so bad if the dem pols were suicidal morons if they only harmed themselves. They have made a good step towards destroying the world.
11 posted on 2/13/2003, 4:43:36 PM by OldFriend (Pray)
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To: conservativecorner
What else do you expect from William Judas Clinton?
12 posted on 2/13/2003, 5:33:16 PM by punster
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To: punster
From the DPRK archives:


Here is an interview with Roger Clinton, U.S. President Clinton's brother, who visited north Korea from Dec. 2 to 8 with his band members to take part in a north-south joint concert. It was interviewed in Pyongyang.



Q. How do you think of the meaning of your music concert at Pyongyang, be held in a situation that the country and the U.S. are in hostile relations?



A. I have taken a means of music to promote better understanding and exchanges between the two countries. I think the Pyongyang concert was of great significance for restoring peace to the two Koreas and the United States.

However, though the U.S. and north Korea have been in confrontation with each other, I could have an opportunity to pay homage to the late President Kim Il Sung, through my Pyongyang visit as well as the visit of my music concert. I think we have done what U.S. diplomats should do in north Korea.

U.S.-north Korea relations are going well in view of recent developments. I think my Pyongyang visit this time will help expedite the bilateral relationships.



Q. You co-starred with north and south Korean musicians.



A. They fully showed their excellent music talent at the concert. The concert proved that it was possible to realize a better north-south relationship if they cooperate. It is nothing but a tragedy that Korea has been divided even now when we are close to the coming new millennium. The problem should be settled by peaceful means as early as possible.



Q. You visited Pammunjom, which is called a symbol of division of the Korean Peninsula. In what way do you think can we contribute to the reunification of Korea as an American?



A. I visited Pyongyang and Pammunjom. This fact demonstrates, I think, a positive development favorable to the development of pending issues.

I am not a President nor am I a lawmaker. But I believe, through art and culture, I am able to do the thing that politicians can't do it. Art and culture are familiar to people and have a great influence on them.



Q. What is your impression of Pyongyang?



A. I was much impressed by the warm reception of Pyongyangites. I am very proud of having performed in Pyongyang and I will keep it in mind that this was a great generosity that the Korean people and government granted to me. I would like to convey my gratitude to the DPRK leader Kim Jong Il for allowing me to perform in his country.

During my Pyongyang visit, I could see Pyongyang people’s life, tradition, their hopes for the future and their love for their compatriots. I had had my own image for north Korea once but the fact is different in many aspects. For instance, I did not perceive any threatening atmosphere that I heard of.



Q. As you know, north Korea is a socialistic country that is based on ideological principles. The county has a lot of different points compared with America.



A. I have no intention to objecting people who makes a living according to their belief. Any people can live in their own way that they think right.

I think we can understand each other. Culture is a powerful means to realizing it. For example, the performance that I saw at Mangyongdae Students and Children Palace was very wonderful. I have never seen such talented children before. It was a great performance that you won't find in any other parts of the world.

I have an idea that no oppressive means would lead a peaceful settlement of the Korean issue. Real human relationships do not require power.

I have received a message of peace from Pyongyang, which I will correctly convey to our people.


13 posted on 2/13/2003, 5:44:36 PM by dfwgator
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To: conservativecorner
Actually, it was longer ago than that...flashback to July 1998...note the bolded part...

WASHINGTON (AP) - The United States is vulnerable to an intercontinental missile attack "sooner rather than later" and must develop space-based defense and weapons systems to counter the threat, the head of the U.S. space command said today.

The risk has increased as North Korea, Iran and other nations build missiles with greater ranges and in underground weapons facilities in order to hide activity, said Air Force Gen. Howell M. Estes III.

"The fact of the matter is, it's going to come quicker, in my opinion, than I think many of us would realize," said Estes, head of the U.S. Space Command based at Peterson Air Force Base, Colo.

Estes also is commander of the North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD, the Cold War-era agency responsible for detecting launches and giving the signal for a U.S. counterattack if necessary.

Estes said countries such as North Korea and Iran, which have both successfully tested medium-range missiles and are thought to be developing intercontinental weapons that could hit U.S. cities, are moving forward quickly because they aren't as concerned about quality.

"We're finding that countries who are developing these systems today are not doing it the way we did," Estes said. "They're not going for accuracy. They're going for having the capability, which in fact, is an indication of military might and national power."

The missiles being developed could carry weapons of mass destruction, including biological, chemical and nuclear warheads.

A congressionally appointed panel of experts issued a report last week suggesting the intercontinental ballistic missile threat to the United States was immediate instead of more than a decade away as predicted by the Central Intelligence Agency.

The panel, headed by former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, concluded that North Korea and Iran could develop long-range missiles within five years and probably are doing so already without the knowledge of U.S. intelligence thanks to their secretive programs.

Rumsfeld told the House National Security Committee that North Korea, Iran, Russia and China "have made extensive use of the underground construction, which enables them to do things such as development and storage and, indeed, even launching from underground hidden silo areas."

The information came from U.S. intelligence reports.

Florida Today

Geez...1998 to 2003...by golly that sure is 5 years, just as predicted by our very own "Rummy"!

14 posted on 2/13/2003, 5:51:15 PM by ravingnutter
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To: conservativecorner
July 15 1998...The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer Transcript (Rummy was in attendance as well)...even PBS knew...

RICHARD GARWIN: Reverse-engineered them. They're a few hundred mile range. Sent them back to other countries. Other countries then have stocks of these missiles. North Korea has evolved it into a longer-range missile, something like eight hundred/nine hundred miles, so called no dawn missile, and that's the kind of missile, for instance, that Pakistan test-fired early in June, a missile very similar to the no dawn. So those are pretty much universal. They're commodities. North Korea has said needs money and a couple of weeks ago it said it's going to go on manufacturing and selling missiles.

Now, what will its engineers do when they've finished wit the no dawn, which they have? They'll move on. They'll find another product either for the commercial markets, or for their own use, and they're working on a longer range missile too. They haven't test fired it, and that's the one that could go perhaps as far as the westernmost islands of Hawaii or some of the Allutions, and if they worked harder on it and made it out of aluminum, then it could reach the United States, itself, the main 48 contiguous states.

PBS Transcript

15 posted on 2/13/2003, 6:00:37 PM by ravingnutter
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To: dfwgator
Here is an interview with Roger Clinton

The clearest example I've ever seen of the term "useful idiot".

16 posted on 2/13/2003, 6:04:45 PM by ThinkDifferent
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To: Axolotl
All of what you say in support of Bush knowing something we don't makes sense and is reassuring. Still, I'm left wondering: if he knows so much more than we do, why is he leaving the Mexican border open and not cracking down a lot more heavily on INS?
17 posted on 2/13/2003, 6:08:49 PM by Pearls Before Swine
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To: ThinkDifferent
When I think of Roger Clinton in North Korea, I remember the MASH episode when the North Koreans take Frank Burns hostage only to dump him because he was so annoying.
18 posted on 2/13/2003, 6:11:16 PM by dfwgator
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To: ThinkDifferent
I do like the way the North Korean press referred to Roger Clinton as 'it', rather than 'he'. Go ahead, read the story again closely....
19 posted on 2/13/2003, 7:22:11 PM by LiberalsWorstNightmare (currently picking the chunks of puke out from between my computer keyboard's keys....)
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To: conservativecorner
But, but, but.......these missiles would not have been built if President Bush did not include North Korea in the Axis of Evil../HEAVY SARCASM
20 posted on 2/13/2003, 7:48:43 PM by Norman Arbuthnot
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