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Hart Blames US Jews For Pushing US Toward War
The Washington Post ^ | 2/13/03 | Howard Kurtz Media Notes column

Posted on 02/14/2003 8:05:14 AM PST by Gothmog

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To: Gothmog
If "Hartless" had kept his pants zipped he could have had a shot at being president....he needs to apply zipped to his mouth now! Jerk.
101 posted on 02/14/2003 3:27:50 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: Cacophonous
Why do you think dual citizenship is so harmful?

And just for the record, I hold both American and Israeli citizenship, and I'm not Jewish.
102 posted on 02/14/2003 11:21:15 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: mrustow
Don't be an ass.

I'm not anti-Jew or anti-anyone. I am, strictly, pro-US. My comments are not related to whether Judaism is a religion (of course it is) or a distinct race (it is not). I am talking strictly of Americans (Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, whatever) that hold dual citizenships with anyone (Israel, Canada, Britain, Turks and Caicos Islands, Germany, whatever). I think it is a poor policy.

Holding dual citizenships for naturalized citizens is also illegal (though rarely enforced).

I don't see how you can accuse me of holding any sort animosity toward anyone. However, I do refuse to walk around on eggshells afraid of offending the delicate sensibilities of this or that group at the risk of sound policy, or at a minimum, a good, stimulating debate. Your tactic of name-calling and slander is not accurate, nor is it good, stimulating, or a debate.

103 posted on 02/15/2003 4:11:19 AM PST by Cacophonous
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To: Michael2001
Why do you think dual citizenship is so harmful?

I think it puts an unfair burden on the dual citizen.

Let's say we decided to invade, oh, I don't know, Iraq. Might it not put anyone that held a dual US-Iraq citizenship in a quandry, particularly if he had friends or relatives or other loved ones in Iraq that could wind up hurt. (I use Iraq as an example for obvious reasons, but the question applies anywhere.)

Further, if this dual citizen were a member of the US armed forces, and knew that some action was going to take place near or around his loved ones, he might be tempted (quite naturally and understandably) to warn them, strictly in the interests of their safety, and not with any ill intent to the US. This could, obviously, jeopardize the mission.

That's my concern. It puts an unfair burden on the citizen.

104 posted on 02/15/2003 4:18:34 AM PST by Cacophonous
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To: Cacophonous
This could, obviously, jeopardize the mission.

My roomate in college was a dual citizen (US/India), and was also Naval ROTC. He had just finished four years on a nuclear missile submarine, and was finishing out his commitment above water. The Navy seemed to trust him enough to carry out his duty to put him in a very sensitive position.

I asked him once what he would have done if the order had come to launch on India, where his family still lives. He didn't bat an eye and said that he would obey the order, without question. When you are in the military, especially in a sensitive position, there is not a lot of philosophising going on. The order comes. You verify that the order is legitimate. You carry out the order as you have been trained. End of story.

Or as he said, "We just launch them. Where they come down is another department."

Anyway, what does military discipline have to do with Hart's comments? He was talking about political support, not dual citizenship for soldiers and sailors.

105 posted on 02/15/2003 4:27:56 AM PST by gridlock (All we are saying, Is give war a chance....)
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To: Cacophonous; jsraggmann
"Well, since many Jews hold dual citizenships, why is not reasonable to ask where their loyalties lie",

So do Brits, Mexicans, and a number of other nationalities---so what???

106 posted on 02/15/2003 4:30:08 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: gridlock
Your roommate, and the fellow that wrote the post to which I responded, are undoubtedly indicative of the vast majority of dual citizens. But how many slip-ups does it take to jeopardize a mission?

It is telling that you asked your question at all; it would indicate to me that you had at least the same question I just raised. Be careful, or many on here will accuse you of bigotry.

107 posted on 02/15/2003 4:51:29 AM PST by Cacophonous
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To: Wonder Warthog
Sigh...I mentioned Jews because that was the topic of the article...read through the rest of the posts and you will see that I am referring to ANYONE with dual citizenship.
108 posted on 02/15/2003 4:53:13 AM PST by Cacophonous
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To: Cacophonous
Might it not put anyone that held a dual US-Iraq citizenship in a quandry, particularly if he had friends or relatives or other loved ones in Iraq that could wind up hurt.

Well even if he gave up his citizenship he would still have loved ones in that country no?

Further, if this dual citizen were a member of the US armed forces, and knew that some action was going to take place near or around his loved ones, he might be tempted (quite naturally and understandably) to warn them, strictly in the interests of their safety, and not with any ill intent to the US. This could, obviously, jeopardize the mission. Well he could do this even if he wasn't a citizen. But if he was a true soldier, he would obey orders. Many of my friends and family were in the military when Clinton decided to bomb the Serbs. They all opposed the war, but they did their jobs, thats what soldiers do.
109 posted on 02/15/2003 11:36:58 AM PST by Michael2001
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To: Braak
I have been at political meetings in Macomb County where another left-wing Democrat, David Bonior, was present. He was also making statements about the Jewish lobby running the Congress. So there definately seems to be an anti-Jewish strain amongst the left-wing of the Democratic party.
110 posted on 02/15/2003 11:54:57 AM PST by Edmund Burke
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To: Michael2001
Oh OK. So we have nothing to worry about from anyone with potentially conflicting loyalties. Thanks. I feel better.
111 posted on 02/15/2003 4:48:26 PM PST by Cacophonous
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