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US to punish German 'treachery'
The Observer (U.K.) ^ | 02/16/03 | Peter Beaumont, David Rose and Paul Beaver

Posted on 02/15/2003 4:00:02 PM PST by Pokey78

America is to punish Germany for leading international opposition to a war against Iraq. The US will withdraw all its troops and bases from there and end military and industrial co-operation between the two countries - moves that could cost the Germans billions of euros.

The plan - discussed by Pentagon officials and military chiefs last week on the orders of Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - is designed 'to harm' the German economy to make an example of the country for what US hawks see as Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's 'treachery'.

The hawks believe that making an example of Germany will force other countries heavily dependent on US trade to think twice about standing up to America in future.

This follows weeks of increasingly angry exchanges between Rumsfeld and Germany, in which at one point he taunted Germany and France for being an irrelevant part of 'old Europe'.

Now Rumsfeld has decided to go further by unilaterally imposing the Pentagon's sanctions on a country already in the throes of economic problems.

'We are doing this for one reason only: to harm the German economy,' one source told The Observer last week.

'Our troops contribute many millions of dollars. Why should we continue to support a country which has treated Nato and the protection we provided for decades with such incredible contempt?'

Another Pentagon source said: 'The aim is to hit German trade and commerce. It is not just about taking out the troops and equipment; it is also about cancelling commercial contracts and defence-related arrangements.'

The Pentagon plan - and the language expressed by officials close to Rumsfeld - has horrified State Department officials, who believe that bullying other countries to follow the US line will further exacerbate anti-Americanism and alienate those European countries that might support a United Nations resolution authorising a war.

German industry earns billions of euros every year from supporting the US Army Europe which, although reduced from its Cold War heights, still totals 42,000 troops and 785 tanks - almost three times as many as the British Army owns. Many of these soldiers and their fighting equipment, including Apache helicopters, have already been sent to the Gulf.

German industry is heavily involved in supporting the US presence. Among the defence companies which stand to lose out are missile-maker Diehl, aerospace and defence giant EADS Deutschland, armaments maker Rheinmetall and vehicle maker Krauss-Maffei Wegmann.

There is also a US Air Force contingent of about 15,000 service people with bases at Bitburg, Frankfurt-am-Main and neighbouring Ramstein, where the commander doubles as part of the Nato command. This force includes nearly 60 F-16 fighter-bombers and a squadron of A-10 tank-buster aircraft.

Rumsfeld and his staff have made no attempt to hide their fury at Schröder's 'treachery and ineptitude' over Iraq. Last week Schröder leaked to reporters a Franco-German plan for avoiding war by increasing the number of UN weapons inspectors before informing his American counterparts.

'After this, Germany is finished as a serious power,' one of the sources added. 'This is simply not the way to conduct diplomacy at a moment of international crisis.' One diplomatic source said Rumsfeld was 'furious at Germany. He is a bruiser and it looks as though he means to do it'.

Under these plans, the US would move its troops in Europe eastwards to countries such as Poland, the Czech Republic and the Baltic states, all of which have strongly supported America's line against Saddam Hussein. It is likely that the overall size of the deployment would be reduced, as the US military changes its priorities for a long-term and disparate engagement with international terrorism.

Although Rumsfeld had already been considering a redeployment of US troops around the world after a war in Iraq to save money and respond to new threats, the plans now under consideration go far beyond what had been discussed.

It is likely that future years will see a sharp increase in the proportion of special forces troops able to deploy rapidly across the globe.

Germany would suffer considerable financial loss if US forces were withdrawn from the country. The bases provide jobs for local people as everything from administrators to cleaners, and are huge customers for dairy products and bread.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
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To: alfons
The French... INVINCIBLE in peace, INVISIBLE in war.

Why are French women like French rifles?
Both may always be counted upon to have an open breech.
121 posted on 02/15/2003 6:57:03 PM PST by jt8d (An armed people are citizens... A dissarmed populace are slaves)
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To: Pokey78
I love it so!!!!!
122 posted on 02/15/2003 6:58:42 PM PST by RichardW
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To: Pokey78
I love it so!!!!!
123 posted on 02/15/2003 7:00:43 PM PST by RichardW
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To: Pokey78
Yes. Boycott all German and French products too.

Should kick their companies out of the US too.

The German companies liquidate American workers.

124 posted on 02/15/2003 7:03:50 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Pokey78
Keeping 57,000 troops in Germany is a relic of the Cold War. Rumsfeld is right, redeploy the troops elsewere.
125 posted on 02/15/2003 7:05:56 PM PST by WildWeasel
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To: Pokey78
'We are doing this for one reason only: to harm the German economy,' one source told The Observer last week.

One source? I don't think so. Never believe an anonymous source.

126 posted on 02/15/2003 7:09:03 PM PST by Eva
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To: tessalu
Not the people, but the government in power. Unfortunately Shroeder got elected and chose to hang his hat with the French who will screw him as soon as the Germans are no longer needed. Change the governing body and we will break bread and eat schnitzel again. Now, effem! Remember we are the only reason they are still speaking German and not Russian.
127 posted on 02/15/2003 7:09:55 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: a_Turk
FAZ...Bio-Terror: Gefahr Verschwiegen

longjack

128 posted on 02/15/2003 7:12:21 PM PST by longjack
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To: Pokey78
It's a good idea.
129 posted on 02/15/2003 7:18:17 PM PST by Tax Government
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To: Pokey78
Let us not dither about this like it's a Security Council issue. Let's get the troops moving out now, doubletime. Justice delayed is justice denied.
130 posted on 02/15/2003 7:21:57 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: It's me
Excuse me! Czech beer is better than any German beer and the girls are far more friendly!

Given my screen name I cannot help but give this a BTTT.

131 posted on 02/15/2003 7:22:01 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Torie
An administration source would not say much of this, so I don't believe it. Even if the administration wanted to screw the already delapidated German economy, which is in a long term, and perhaps irreversible decline, in part because its educational system is in a state of collapse, that self defeating goal would never be enunciated. The redeployment of troops would be explained on grounds of defense policy, not grounds of economic retaliation.

Well said, Torie. (Hey, we agree on something!)

I'm somewhat familiar with Germany's economic woes, but would like to learn more about the problems in their educational system. Would you be so kind as to elaborate a bit or else point me to where I could find this information? Thanks in advance.

132 posted on 02/15/2003 7:42:32 PM PST by wonders
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To: wonders
try the "Pisa" study
133 posted on 02/15/2003 7:45:41 PM PST by americanbychoice
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To: wonders
Germany's secondary school test scores are now at the bottom of the Western democracies, below that of the US public school test scores. Germany's higher education system was always mediocre (far, far below that of the US or the UK), which hurt it, but this hurts its manufacturing edge over the long term. And without that, Germany has next to nothing which has a comparative worldwide advantage.
134 posted on 02/15/2003 7:55:15 PM PST by Torie
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To: Catspaw
Why should we stay where we're not wanted?

Ding. You win the Christmas turkey.

135 posted on 02/15/2003 7:58:19 PM PST by strela (Magog Brothers Atlantis Carpet Reclaimers)
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To: Pokey78
Kind of reminds me of "Risk". You move your armies to where you need them.
136 posted on 02/15/2003 7:59:37 PM PST by P.O.E. (Liberate Iraq!)
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To: JulieRNR21
"Only a nation as desperate to be loved as the United States would fret about, rather than chuckle over the Orwellian irony of being lectured to about arrogancy by the French and about militarism by the Germans."

I'm going to steal that Rukeyser quote. Thank you for posting it.

137 posted on 02/15/2003 8:01:09 PM PST by strela (Magog Brothers Atlantis Carpet Reclaimers)
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To: Torie
I heard some mention of this on FOX - but it wasn't as explicit - only that the focus of America would be in the Middle East for years, and why not move those bases in Germany to a closer location - namely the eastern part of Europe. Some of the newer countries, along with Poland, could be a good relocation and would save us millions in travel costs.

I think this may have been in the works for awhile - but the timing of it may indicate some kind of punishment to Germany. Actually, if Germany feels that it is, maybe it will cause some other nations to realize that we take allies seriously. You can disagree with us - but privately is a better method - never publically.

Also ... loyalty is prized by the Bush family.
138 posted on 02/15/2003 8:10:42 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: 11th_VA
I think it was biiillliiions and biiillliiions if my memory serves me right.
139 posted on 02/15/2003 8:14:37 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: longjack; americanbychoice; a_Turk
The Kommentar is also quite interesting.
140 posted on 02/15/2003 8:15:37 PM PST by BMCDA
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