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Earth monitors recorded explosions on Columbia
worldnetdaily ^ | February 16, 2003 | worldnetdaily

Posted on 2/18/2003, 1:26:14 AM by TLBSHOW

Earth monitors recorded explosions on Columbia

Experts won't say if infrasound readings coincide with 'electrical zap' on camera

As NASA continues its probe into the precise cause of the space shuttle Columbia disaster, government researchers are confirming the recording of explosions as the orbiter broke apart during its fatal descent.

According to a report in the Toledo Blade, some scientists believe the recordings could shed light on the theory that an electrical phenomenon called a "blue jet" knocked the shuttle out of the sky.

"We have detected sounds from shuttle re-entries in the past," Dr. Alfred Bedard Jr. of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said when asked about the content of infrasound recordings from Columbia. "But we've been asked not to discuss the results publicly, and we will honor that request."

Bedard, part of a panel of scientists who reported on infrasound research at the national meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Denver, says the recordings have now been sent to NASA for analysis.

While the human ear can hear sounds with a frequency of 20 to 20,000 Hertz, or cycles per second, infrasound is below 20 Hz.

Bedard has used infrasound sensor arrays stationed in Colorado to listen for mysterious electrical discharge events in the upper atmosphere.

The Blade reports pilots and amateur astronomers have reported glimpsing the phenomenon for years, but the lack of scientific confirmation led to terms such as "elves," "sprites," "sprite halos," "blue jets," and even "trolls."

Such discharges have since been verified, and are now known as Transient Luminous Events, taking place above thunderstorms and lightning strikes.

In 1989, an electrical strike destroyed a high-altitude NASA balloon 129,000 feet over Dallas, according to the Blade, and scientists suspect a TLE – perhaps a lightning bolt – leaped from a thunderhead anvil to the balloon.

As WorldNetDaily previously reported, NASA is now examining a photo taken by an astronomer in San Francisco that shows what could be an electrical phenomenon zapping Columbia just before it disintegrated.

Shuttle program manager Ron Dittemore has said that NASA continues to study the unreleased photograph, and Bedard wouldn't comment on whether his sensors heard evidence of a TLE coinciding with the demise of the orbiter.

A second infrasound expert, Dr. Eugene Herrin of Southern Methodist University in Dallas, said his sensors also detected explosions on Columbia. His infrasound array for the U.S. Air Force is located near Terlingua, Texas.

In six minutes of recordings from Columbia, Herrin describes seven large, distinct explosions that were initially heard over eastern New Mexico.

He says a preliminary look at data collected by another array of instruments outside Mina, Nev., show "unusual" patterns when compared to data from other shuttle flights.

"There was something about this one. I am not going to speculate. What we see are oscillations in the shock wave that we don't normally see. Whether that's diagnostic or not, that's a NASA call," Herrin said.

The last voice communication from the shuttle crew came as Columbia streaked across New Mexico before breaking apart two minutes later.

Searchers spent yesterday scouring New Mexico's Embudito Canyon looking for any debris that may have fallen in the region after residents reported hearing "a whooshing sound like something falling out of the sky."

"I was in my backyard at around 7:05 a.m. [on Feb. 1]," said Dave Baldwin, a Northeast Heights resident, in an e-mail to the Albuquerque Tribune. "I heard what I believed at the time to be a sonic boom with a faint echo. I did not see anything associated with the sound."

"When you hear something, you can usually tell which direction you heard it from and factor in how far sound will travel and how far someone might have heard a noise like that," said Department of Public Safety spokesman Peter Olson.

No remnants of Columbia turned up in the search, as some pieces of metal turned out to be parts of a beer can and sardine container.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: columbia; nasa; spaceshuttle

1 posted on 2/18/2003, 1:26:15 AM by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Wow! Does anyone know where the "blue flash" photo is posted on the web?

On a similar subject, does anyone know the EXACT time this photo was taken?

2 posted on 2/18/2003, 1:44:14 AM by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
IIRC the photo went directly from the owner to NASA, it probably isn't on the internet.
3 posted on 2/18/2003, 1:48:08 AM by thepitts
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To: BenLurkin
The picture has not been released yet.
4 posted on 2/18/2003, 1:48:13 AM by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: thepitts
From the description of it the blue line goes near the back of the shuttle turns and comes back and hits the shuttle.
5 posted on 2/18/2003, 1:49:40 AM by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
More info on the infrasound of the Columbia is at the following link:

HERE

6 posted on 2/18/2003, 1:50:23 AM by FReepaholic
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To: TLBSHOW
"But we've been asked not to discuss the results publicly, and we will honor that request."

So much for the "new era of openness" that NASA promised. Why the secrecy? I forgot, NASA's sacred operating budget and the director's job are the top priorities. They're trying desperately to pin this on meteors, space junk, sprites, or contractors -- anything but the debris shedding during launch that NASA has gotten so complacent about.

7 posted on 2/18/2003, 1:53:49 AM by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: TLBSHOW; XBob; John Jamieson; wirestripper; Budge; snopercod; bonesmccoy
... shed light on the theory that an electrical phenomenon called a "blue jet" knocked the shuttle out of the sky.

More grist to grind.

8 posted on 2/18/2003, 1:57:21 AM by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: TLBSHOW

Red Sprites, Blue Jets and Elves

In addition to their well known effects in the troposphere, large cloud-to-ground lightning discharges produce several kinds of lesser known effects on the middle and upper atmosphere.


Red sprites, blue jets and elves are upper atmospheric optical phenomena associated with thunderstorms that have only recently been documented by using low light level television technology. These phenomena are collectively called Transient Luminous Events (TLE's)

Transient Luminous Events

Red sprites are large but weak luminous flashes that appear directly above an active thunderstorm system and are coincident with powerful positive cloud-to-ground lightning strokes. Their spatial structures range from small single or multiple vertically elongated spots, to bright groupings which extend from above the cloud tops to altitudes up to almost 60 miles (about 95 km. Sprites are predominantly red and they usually last no more than a few milliseconds. The brightest region lies in the altitude range 40 to 45 miles (about 65-75 km), above which there is often a faint red glow or wispy structure that extends to about 55 miles (90 km). Below the bright red region, blue tendril-like filamentary structures often extend downward to as low as 20 miles (30 km). Some events are loosely packed and may extend across horizontal distances of 30 miles (50 km) or more. Because of their low surface brightness, they have only been imaged at night (primarily with highly sensitive cameras). However, if ones eyes are sufficiently dark-adapted, one can actually detect them without any visual aid. The first images of a sprite were accidently obtained in 1989, although anecdotal reports of "rocket-like" and other optical emissions above thunderstorms go back more than a century. Early research reports for these events referred to them by a variety of names, including "upward lightning," "upward discharges," "cloud-to-stratosphere discharges," and "cloud-to-ionosphere discharges." Now they are simply referred to as sprites, a whimsical term that evokes a sense of their fleeting nature, while at the same time remaining nonjudgemental about physical processes that have yet to be determined.

Blue jets are a second high altitude optical phenomenon, distinct from sprites and first documented in 1994 (although pilots had earlier reported similar sightings). Blue jets are optical ejections from the top of the electrically active core regions of thunderstorms, but not directly associated with cloud-to-ground lightning. Following their emergence from the top of the thundercloud, they typically propagate at about upward in narrow cones of about 15 degrees, fanning out and disappearing at heights of about 25-30 miles (40-50 km) with a lifetime of a couple of tenths of a second.

Elves are disk-shaped regions of luminosity, lasting less than a thousandth of a second, which occur high above energetic cloud-to-ground lightning of positive or negative polarity. Elves most likely result when an energetic electromagnetic pulse (EMP) propagates into the ionosphere. Though they can be accompanied by sprites, the causative mechanism is of an entirely different nature. Predicted to exist in the early 1990's and discovered in 1994, elves got their name as an acronym for Emission of Light and Very Low Frequency perturbations due to EMP Sources.

Sprite halos are even more recently discovered. They are diffuse disk shaped glows that apparently precede sprites and propagate downward from about 50 miles to 40 miles (85 to 70 km) altitude and last about a millisecond.

Trolls, also recently observed, resemble blue jets, but are red and seem to occur after tendrils of vigorous sprites extend downward toward the cloud tops.


9 posted on 2/18/2003, 1:58:09 AM by Lokibob
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To: brityank
In my opinion, the unusual shock-wave generated by the shuttle was the result of the damaged left wing.

It was chewing, ripping, tearing its way through the atmosphere as opposed to being aerodynamic.

Consequently, at Mach 18, it made one heck of a shock-wave.

10 posted on 2/18/2003, 2:05:25 AM by Cold Heat
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To: TLBSHOW
Not that terrorism is suspected in the Columbia disaster,

but after TWA 800, Oklahoma City, Waco, Bill Clinton (What a list Clinton's covered up treasonous deeds would be in itself.)

how can we trust government investigations at all, even a little bit?

11 posted on 2/18/2003, 2:08:28 AM by Taiwan Bocks
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To: tscislaw
Thanks for the link.
12 posted on 2/18/2003, 2:11:30 AM by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: wirestripper
The falling debris theory is dependent upon there being sufficient momentum in the debris to damage the wing. Since the ice is traveling the speed the shuttle is flying when it falls off how does it have sufficient momentum to hurt anything?

It is not as though the shuttle is traveling 10,000 mph and the ice is 0. There could not be but a fraction of a second between separation and collision. And it is during that fraction that the momentum must be generated.

I am no physicist but this seem to be the crucial issue with that theory.
13 posted on 2/18/2003, 2:24:51 AM by justshutupandtakeit (Islame has had its day.)
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To: Lokibob
That picture of a sprite looks real strange.
14 posted on 2/18/2003, 2:25:05 AM by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: wirestripper
Yes, or perhaps broken pieces breaking the sound barrier independently?
BTW do you know the exact time this photo was taken?
15 posted on 2/18/2003, 2:33:31 AM by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
Yes, about 13:58 GMT. Maybe a bit either side or the other. This is based on the shuttle location and other data. It was shot in NM.
16 posted on 2/18/2003, 2:42:46 AM by Cold Heat
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To: TLBSHOW
To the contrary, the first or second day after the loss of the Columbia with all hands, there was a photograph posted showing blue lines or light around and behind the shuttle. Don't know if that was the real deal, or a representation, but it was here on FR.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Using the Old Noodle," now up on UPI and FR.

17 posted on 2/18/2003, 3:15:07 AM by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
If you can link me to it sometime that would be great. I think I did see something like it and it was a just a representation. I could be wrong but from all I have read about this photo not even the SFgate was given it.
18 posted on 2/18/2003, 3:22:28 AM by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Congressman Billybob
It could of been the one that a poster named USABLUE posted and said it was a terrorist attack from China. The post was delted.
19 posted on 2/18/2003, 3:24:31 AM by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: brityank
Thanks for the bump.

Let me add this to the pile of info. I read on another website, that there was a big Solar Flare or solar phenomenon due to arrive at earth at 0900 or so, just as the shuttle was in trouble, the time of the breakup. Perhaps someone knows something about this.
20 posted on 2/18/2003, 3:43:56 AM by XBob
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