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St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | 2-18-03 | Walt Harrington

Posted on 02/18/2003 6:34:55 AM PST by FairWitness

Edited on 05/11/2004 5:34:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Presidents Bush and Bush are tough for me even to think about. The men have confounded my hard-earned biases about who is deserving of respect in America. They also have made me abandon the easy and shallow belief that politicians I disagree with must always be bad people at heart. I was reminded of this recently when New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd wrote a piece quoting a 1986 Washington Post Magazine profile I wrote on then-Vice President George H.W. Bush. While trolling for bluefish in Bush's famous Cigarette boat off the coast of Maine, I engaged him and his then-obscure son George W. in a debate about the power of social class -- the money, education and influence awarded to people through the accident of birth.


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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: georgehwbush; georgewbush; liberalbias
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There's class (order or rank; caste) and then there's Class (high quality; character). The Bush family has both.
1 posted on 02/18/2003 6:34:55 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
Bush Family Bump!
2 posted on 02/18/2003 6:46:55 AM PST by Liberty Valance (God Bless Our President , First Lady and especially our Troops)
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To: FairWitness
I'll wager that Mr. Harrington will get that White House visit if he gets the chance.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}
3 posted on 02/18/2003 6:49:30 AM PST by alfa6 (GNY Highway's Rules: Improvise; Adapt; Overcome)
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To: alfa6
I agree.
4 posted on 02/18/2003 6:54:07 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
A very very few of these liberals are capable of thought and reason. Even fewer are capable of ascribing higher motives to their opponents. But rather than accept that decent men can disagree on a few issues, I find it much more reasonable to simply accept that the vast majority of liberals are dumbasses, and the few that aren't are evil.

Can I get a witness?

5 posted on 02/18/2003 6:55:06 AM PST by big gray tabby
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To: FairWitness
Good read bump. Rush talks about this a good deal -- how liberals have to make an enemy out folks with differing, non-liberal opinions. They cannot stand on just their logic and must denigrate those with whom they differ.
6 posted on 02/18/2003 6:57:26 AM PST by Blueflag
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To: FairWitness
The Bush family has Barbara.

The idea that she'd have put up with, or would have raised,
a shallow and petty man, is absurd on the face of it.

7 posted on 02/18/2003 7:00:44 AM PST by jdege
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To: big gray tabby
I find it much more reasonable to simply accept that the vast majority of liberals are dumbasses, and the few that aren't are evil.

I agree with the "few - - are evil" part. For the vast majority of liberals I think it is more an unwillingness to face up to consequences of beliefs that were formed at an early age (in spite of evidence of failure), the "normal" resistance to change, the tendency to "think" in feelings rather than facts and logic that keeps them on the plantation.

8 posted on 02/18/2003 7:05:02 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
decent men can disagree unless one is a democrats, then there's only one decent man and an enemy of the country.
9 posted on 02/18/2003 7:08:40 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: FairWitness
Excellent Read! Great insight. Thanks so much for posting it.

It baffles me that grown people must convince themselves that those with whom they disagree are stupid or malevolent. It's a poison that creates uncivil debate and self-righteous political correctness. Yet, truth is, I didn't always think so open-mindedly. I used to be quite a self-righteous twit in my youth. Coming to know the Presidents Bush and Bush changed me, helped me learn that no class -- rich or poor -- has cornered the market on decency or wisdom.

This author is also a very decent man! His insights swing both way FReeper friends. I see a lot of conservatives taking the low road and doing the very same thing. Let's be honest with ourselves and realize that such base discourse only demeans our cause and creates enemies where we'd really like to have friends.

10 posted on 02/18/2003 7:08:56 AM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: Blueflag
liberals have to make an enemy out folks with differing, non-liberal opinions"

Most liberals (this author, Hitchens and a few others are the exceptions) seem incapable of remaining civil toward those with whom they disagree. They have to hate, insult, slander and mock anyone who holds differing views. Thus, you have the so-called anti-war types calling Pres. Bush a Nazi and caricaturing him as Alfred E. Newman, instead of just saying - calmly and rationally - that they believe he's wrong.

11 posted on 02/18/2003 7:13:07 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: ThirstyMan

Cheers to the ThirstyMan!

Not all who disagree with you are anti-american devils ..................... Well, some are.

12 posted on 02/18/2003 7:13:53 AM PST by InspiredPath1
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To: FairWitness
Mr. Harrington strikes me as the type of liberal that would be welcome on Free Republic and banned on DU.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

13 posted on 02/18/2003 7:16:59 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: big gray tabby
AMEN!
14 posted on 02/18/2003 7:17:23 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Okie by proxy, raised by Yankees, temporarily Californian)
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To: FairWitness
That's called maturity and humility. Both of the lacking qualities of the liberal stance.
15 posted on 02/18/2003 7:19:45 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Okie by proxy, raised by Yankees, temporarily Californian)
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To: ThirstyMan
Re: #10

Thank You!

16 posted on 02/18/2003 7:22:05 AM PST by Republican Party Reptile
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To: FairWitness
That day launched for me a strange and long relationship of sorts with the George Bushes. I wrote a story that used Bush's social privilege and America's biases about it as the theme. I had started out viewing him as a "coaster" -- a guy who got ahead riding his family's influence and wealth.

I wonder if it ever dawned on this guy at that time that what he was describing was the KENNEDYS
17 posted on 02/18/2003 7:27:22 AM PST by uncbob
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To: FairWitness
"I support a woman's right to choose but there are good arguments against it."

One of which is that Harrington undermines his own argument about civil debate by supporting the malevolent violence of killing pre-natal infants. Those who have been murdered thusly are not around to to be either agreeable or disagreeable in debate. They are not around to be baffled because they did not survive to be 'grown people'. They were robbed even of the ability to be convinced that that those with whom they would have disagreed were stupid or malevolent. Maybe it's me, but I'm not in the mood to be receptive to a moral lecture about uncivil debate and self-righteous political correctness from someone whose mother did not kill him, but who nevertheless supports the theft from others of that which he himself was allowed to retain and professes to value.

Cordially,

18 posted on 02/18/2003 7:33:54 AM PST by Diamond
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To: InspiredPath1; Republican Party Reptile
Thank you both. That article really inspired me. It was so refreshing to see a person travel beyond his own personal partisan beliefs to sense another's decent humanity. I do believe Washington tries to take that away from you as an entry fee into politics. Sr. Bush probably lost his reelection bid because he allowed his handlers to cast him too negatively. He started to get scrappy and it just didn't fit him. By doing so he hid his true goodness from the voters and so we let him go away.

So much of what we read in the press comes from those behind-the-scenes position papers and the just released partisan talking points, fed to and published by an eagerly awaiting press.

Recall the word "gravitas" making its rounds among Bush's detractors during the last campaign? Rush made a point of it. Suddenly Mario Cuomo and Co. [all the Democrats] were saying simultaneously that George W. Bush "lacked gravitas". OK, who'd ever heard of "gravitas" before? But all the dems were pounding away at W's lack of "gravitas". It hurt. It was obviously a cleverly devised ad hominem distraction.

I believe this author, Walt Harrington has seen beyond the position papers and for doing so, he will be hated and suspected. He stands out! He has correctly identified the Bush's most endearing trait. They are decent American people who deserve credit for being decent American folk, even if one disagrees with them politically.

19 posted on 02/18/2003 8:06:40 AM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: FairWitness
"a guy couldn't be married to Laura Bush if he weren't decent."

Exactly.
20 posted on 02/18/2003 8:14:53 AM PST by Glock22
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