Posted on 02/18/2003 10:58:30 PM PST by BlackJack
There are certain religious absolutes. Even some sects of Islam say this is not on. What left wingers like you have trouble understanding is that there is such a thing as evil in the world. The niceties of "understanding" it is irrelevant. Find the serpent and cut its head off.
Why has Bin Laden such an success in persuading young muslims to kill themself and thousands of innocent people? Or do you think that Atta and the others were born as suicide killers?
Why did Hitler persuade millions of Germans to vote for him? There was plenty of time after the fact to analyse this question - however at the time of war, it was only necessary to kill the bastard.
I think the US Administration should better think about how solving the crisis/war between Israel and pelestine. THIS is the main problem
Piffle. Osama didn't even mention Israel and Palestine in his initial missives regarding why he was attacking America. The only people who adhere to this nonsense are those who want to see Israel dismembered and destroyed.
A little hint for you, a little clue. Take a look at the Arab nations and take a look at Israel - Israelis are better educated, more literate, have a functioning democracy and have a greater GDP per head than any Arab nation. Now ask yourself the question, could it be that the Arabs out of sheer jealousy, want to make Israel a scapegoat for their relative failure, since it's easier to do that than actually do something with their God-awful countries? In which case, why the hell should anyone provide them a continuing excuse for their failure?
You call 150000 Soldiers a limited campaign? *lol*
Yes it is. World War II was an "unlimited campaign" that took my country 6 years. A few weeks of Saddam hardly compares. And the way you make it sound is that these soldiers are going to go in and indiscriminately shoot civilians rather than the Republican Guard. If your point was about bombing, again, the Americans and British use precision munitions. So again I ask, what is so bloody better about allowing Saddam to indiscriminately murder, torture and oppress the Iraqi people for years on end, as compared to a short, limited war?
US used uranium munition make iraqi women bearing mutant babies. Hundreds of them every month.
Left wing garbage. And I take it you've never seen the actual photographs of how Saddam gassed his own people.
What disgusts me about closet Stalinists like yourself is not only are you more in favour of a blood soaked tyrant than the Western countries which shelter and protect your sorry, worm-eaten leftist backside, but also you are racist in suggesting that said tyrant cannot possibly be diabolical because he's browner than George W. Bush.
Last week here in Germany was a documentation about it in TV and the pictures was horrible
Thanks for proving you are totally brain dead, easily swayed by left wing propaganda. No wonder your country is rapidly being flushed down the sewer.
Ivan
Oh, the Greens then?
I just try to understand the coherences.
You fall down right away. Another problem that the left has is trying to assume everyone is rational. No.
And i know that there is evil in the world, but i have problems to fight fire with fire.
Too bad. Evil doesn't just develop tears in its eyes and sing "Kumbaya" just because you want it to. Grow up.
I hate Saddam and bin Laden too, but i think it is necessary to understand why all this happens to prevent that the little childs that suffer from bombings, poisened water, the lack of education and so on become the bin ladens of the future.
The Americans are one of the very few peoples that actually bomb places and then go in and fix them up. The reason why Iraq has not been fixed up is precisely because it remains under Saddam's control. When he is gone, sanctions will no longer be applied, the oil revenues will rebuild the country, and they will have a shot at democracy. Keep Saddam in, and sanctions will have to remain as a "containment strategy", and the Iraqi people will still be ground under the heel of a dictator who is far more interested in building monuments to his ego (remember there are *57* Presidential palaces, most built *SINCE* the Gulf War) than in actually making the country better.
Yes, this is one of his main arguments. The other is that the US occupies holy muslim land (Arabian Penisula) Read some book about him or google for the interviews he gave to journalists in the last 10 years!!!
The charge he repeats over and over again involves Americans on Saudi soil. As the Americans are not doing anything except protecting the Saudis from Saddam, we can come to the conclusion that bin Laden is not among the sane.
Ans please dont impute that i want to have israel destroyed. I want a fair discussion, so be fair too. My grandma and pa took a lot of risk during WW2 by hiding jews in the cellar of their house
Good for you. However, if you are as soaked in German television as I would suggest you are, you're probably coming at this subject from a pro-Palestinian point of view. My patience with them ended on September 11th when they celebrated the attack on the World Trade Centre.
I saw these pictures!!!
And yet you're more concerned about what the British and Americans might do than what Saddam has done and wants to be able to do again? Excuse me?
And whats about the right wing propaganda in the United States? Do ayou really want to make me believe that US Administration is interested in the suffering of the iraqi people? Then tell me where have been the interest in the last 12 years?
Why don't you explain why you think Saddam is so great and should be allowed to remain in power, to torture his own people. That is not propaganda, it's the truth - he does so. You've seen the pictures, you know what he is. You know that he pays suicide bombers' families $25,000 per blast to kill grandmothers and children in Israeli ice cream parlours. Yet you stubbornly, idiotically cling to this line that a brief war to remove Saddam Hussein is far worse than allowing him to remain in power, defy the United Nations resolutions, and actually free the people of Iraq.
I've heard of irrational hatred of George W. Bush, but yours takes the cake; for I doubt you or any other German would be protesting as loudly if it was Bill Clinton doing this rather than President Bush.
Which brings us down, as the Americans say, to "brass tacks". Your whole whinge is based on your distaste for President Bush and this popular media image in Europe that he is somehow a "cowboy". Which is probably the most stupid excuse to not do the right thing that I've ever heard of.
Ivan
OVER SIX MILLION SERVED!
Ouch :-D
Technoir signed up 2003-02-19
It helps that the UN, Blix and the Inspectors (Clousseau?) were all fools to begin with. Making a dupe out of a dupe isn't hard, even for an ape like Sodom. ;-/
Oh really? Well the CDU in recent days seems to agree more with Bush than you do.
Fighting terrorism is one thing, but bombing an sovereign land is another. And until the inspectors cant see a material breach of 1441, you dont have the right to invade.
Oh for God's sake - they found he had chemical warheads when he said he had none. They found rockets that exceeded the allowed range. They have tape recordings of Iraqi officers talking about shifting the weapons around so as not to be seen. Your own press admits that your country sold Iraq 8 mobile chemical weapons labs. To say there is not a material breach is an act of willful, childish ignorance on your part. Again, GROW UP.
Would you protect the Saudis if they would have no oil?
They protected the Bosnians and Kosovars didn't they?
These pictures was fake.
What the bloody hell are you talking about? The television footage was on the BBC no less. Only the far left is adhering to the fiction that the scenes of celebration are fabricated.
As i said before several times, i want WMD destroyed too. And by the way: USA have WMD too and they deny inspections by the UNO...hmmmmm
To suggest the United States, a functioning democracy, is on the same level as Iraq, a dysfunctional dictatorship, is beyond disgusting. I hope some of my American colleagues will kick you square in the goolies for such an idiotic remark.
If the palestinian people would get a chance to earn money instead they would not have to get paid for terrorist attacks.
You are assuming they are rational again. Listen to what Hamas has to say about killing every last Israeli, regardless of economic issues, and then come back.
They just kill because they have absolutely nothing. No food. No education. No clear water. No toilets. No hope.
People throughout the world have those kind of problems. I've been to some villages in Kenya which are absolutely disgraceful. Do you hear about the Kenyan Liberation Front threatening to blow up Western embassies in Nairobi because of their deprivation? Oh no, sorry, Al Qaeda did that for them.
Saying poverty is an excuse for Palestinian behaviour is immoral and wrong. Plenty of people are poor. Few turn poverty into an excuse to violence. The badly behaved should not get off the hook merely because they are poor. So long as right and wrong exist, we should adhere to being right - no matter our circumstances.
Or did you ever had to think about if you will survive the day if you wake up in the morning?
Uh yeah, when the IRA was planting bombs all over London.
Yes there is irrational hatred against bush in europe.No lets call it mistrust. Its because of the involvent of the current administration in the oil business. But i dont by the way.
You certainly act like it. And for someone who is supposedly conservative, you spout off a lot of left wing talking points, which gives me glee to tear to pieces.
Youl should try to watch some of the disussions in the european media, especially german TV, maybe you can get a better understanding for the arguments we have against a war at this time.
No thanks. We fought two world wars precisely because wouldn't have to listen to that rubbish.
Besides, you are all spewing the same rubbish that the far left says. It all ends up the same: you have made your preference for Saddam Hussein over Bush and the Americans clear. I think you're full of cow excrement to adhere to such an abhorrent view. I would rather cast my lot with the Americans any day than I would ever entrust my future to the Germans and French. You lot wouldn't stand up to evil even if it was planting bombs in your beer halls.
Ivan
Oh please. Besides Indonesia, the coasts off of Somolia and Yemen are the most pirate infested waters in the world, go and read the piracy reports here....I've never read about any German intervention, but its a noble concept. Are they functioning under UN status there? And, was it truly a German force the trapped U.S. force in Somolia? If so, its just like Afganistan, let the U.S. go in to the hottest spots and wait till things cool down before rendering aid.....That sounds like something the French would do.
As far as Kosovo goes, the entire U.S. invlovement in the Balkins was the result of our past miserable excuse of a President creating a press diversion from his own problems. It just so happened that the "ethnic cleansing" that was occuring was of the correct racial composition so as to be appealing to the public masses who are spoon fed through the media and was thus acceptable as a justified military intervention.
Krauts? Why do you deem that deraugatory? I consider it inline with calling Americans Yanks or the British Limeys.
Your sensitivities need adjustment.
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