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To: xzins
Not a naval expert really. Just well-read and, ahem, connected to folks who really know the facts - been there done/doing that.

Best scenario is to seize the vessels in question and commandeer them to a safe offloading point after inspection. Might be a good use for the E-bomb featured on another thread. I understand they make a pretty good flash-bang... Gotta disable the electronics/detonators in case they have a dead-man or doomsday circuit. Gotta kill the perps so they can't manually deploy. Need an assault plan that kills the electronics, kills the ability to manuver the vessel, kills the perps, doesn't rupture any WMD containers. I'm outta my league on the specifics of that mission.

All other scenarios, short of a 1-megaton contact-fused weapon fall short. A 30,000 ton cargo vessel is a mighty robust structure. Add to that the cargo is likely well-protected as well. Water (and all that steel) attentuates the blast and heat effects of a large conventional or small nuke, so I say, go REALLY big, go contact fuse, no airburst (unless it's at 100'). [ remember the Pacific H-bomb tests? Nearby men-of-war were damaged but not sunk. ] Still this is a LAST resort option.

Sinking the vessel with Mk-48s gives the bad guys time to act, even if you hit the ship with a spread of 4-6 wired-guided shots within a span of a few seconds. All you need is some bad guy on the 'phones to call out "high-speed screws, torpedos in the water" and Achmed pushes the buttons. They know they are being tracked, afterall. Launch/detonate on warning is bound to be their orders. (this puts any assault team at risk as well-- die in the sel-destructive martyrs' blasts)

And conventional explosives/ sinking the ships puts accidental release high on the list of likely outcomes

Second scenario is to disable their propulsion when they are mid-ocean and pursue option 1 above

Scuttling in shallow water would seem preferable to deep water, so again, the cargo could eventually be off-loaded.

Scuttling in deep water raises the specter of eventual catastrophic release due to corrosion or pressure rupture.

Anytime you have a large concentration or WMDs, seizure is the best option, followed by 'long' duration plasma-temp incineration. Dispersion by blast is not preferred, 'cuz you may not get it all, and radioactivity is not consumed in a chemical reaction like incineration.

So, the issue is not really that the WMDs are on a ship (allegedly) but that they are concentrated and hidden and could be dispersed or delivered prior to safe seizure or destruction.
47 posted on 02/19/2003 7:40:41 AM PST by Blueflag
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To: Blueflag
You are certainly more well versed that I on this subject, so bear with my simplistic questions. If Achmend could push the button before we could sink the ship, what is to prevent him from doing the same during a boarding raid? Disabling electronics or detonators seems far-fetched since we have no clue what may trigger these weapons. Can this actually be done, and if so, why not do it now?

If we have intelligence that proves without a doubt that chemical/biological/nuclear weapons are on board these ships, I suggest secretly sinking them by damaging the hulls and avoiding the weapons. We don't have to take credit for it, just do it.
58 posted on 02/19/2003 8:22:17 AM PST by Quilla (Paging Dirk Pitt)
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To: Blueflag
According to other stories posted here, the US has developed "E-bombs" that can destroy any non-hardened electrical or electronic equipment. These E-bombs are experimental, because they have never been tested against hostile targets.

These ships are suspected to contain forbidden weapons, that all have electronic control systems for deployment and detonation. The ships refuse normal communications, but certainly are equipped with communications facilities that might be used to command release of the suspected contraband cargo. We would not want that to happen.

The US has a requirement for a weapons test under field conditions. Three potentially extremely dangerous targets are out there roaming the sea with as much stealth and isolation as they can achieve. Looks to me like a perfect confluence of motive, means, and opportunity.

73 posted on 02/19/2003 10:06:20 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: Blueflag
I am not a naval expert either, but I doubt that Iraq installed sonar on three merchant ships. The first time that Achmed and Abdul realize that they've been torpedoed will be when the see the virgins.

As for the aftermath of a sinking on their contents, I would think that any nuclear material might be shielded well enough to survive the sinking unless they are indeed suicide sailors and don't mind the radiation exposure. I have no idea what effect dilution with seawater might have on Sarin or anthrax.
80 posted on 02/19/2003 12:09:20 PM PST by namsman
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