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To: Junior
After all, this is about a duplicated gene taking on a whole new role

You really need some reading comprehension. First of all this is not in any way a duplicated gene according to the article but two genes joined together. Of course they do not have the vaguest idea how this happened. It is all assumptions which would be true if evolution is ever proven to be true - and there is no such proof. That this joining would have killed our ancestors furthermore is proof that it could not have occurred without many other things happening at the same time which would have enabled the organism to survive this new combination. So no, it is no proof of evolution, but of intelligent design, of many things coming together to produce something totally new. Note also that this article is so lame that it does not even tell what this gene does. Note also that all the evo stuff is absolute unsubstantiated nonsense. The only known fact here is that this gene does not occur in any other species and that it would cause cancer on other species if they had it. Hardly a 'proof' of evolution.

56 posted on 02/19/2003 8:45:47 PM PST by gore3000 (If evos could think, they would not be evolutionists.)
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To: gore3000
You really need some reading comprehension. First of all this is not in any way a duplicated gene according to the article but two genes joined together.

You need some reading comprehension, child.  From the actual article:

By comparing the human genome with those of other species, they learnt that Tre2 is found uniquely in the human line of ancestry among the primates. Our ancestors seem to have been especially prone to undergoing a whole series of duplications of segments of their genes, the authors write.

"These duplications appear to have emerged only during the last 35 million years, within the primate lineage, and to have rapidly expanded," Haber said. The new gene probably emerged from that process when two duplicated segments of different genes fused to make a new one.

Of course they do not have the vaguest idea how this happened.

They know it happened:

It now seems that genetic codes can change markedly over time as well: single genes can be duplicated, deleted, switched on or off, moved to different locations, fused with parts of other genes (as in the case of Tre2), or be pressed into service in new roles.

There are theories on how it happens, but the fact is IT HAPPENS.  EVOLUTION OCCURS.  Not knowing HOW does not mean evolution is bunk, but you won't see that.  It goes against your carefully crafted worldview.  Of course, since you refuse to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table of knowledge, so you'll sit at the window sill and carp at those partaking of the feast ("You can't eat that!  You don't know what's in it or how it was made!) .

That this joining would have killed our ancestors furthermore is proof that it could not have occurred without many other things happening at the same time which would have enabled the organism to survive this new combination.

Who said it would have killed our ancestors?  You?  Or someone who has as little comprehension of evolution as you?  Not all mutations kill.  Do we need to mention blue eyes and blond hair again?

So no, it is no proof of evolution, but of intelligent design, of many things coming together to produce something totally new.

So, you are actually going to give us a working theory of Intelligent Design -- I mean, other than "evolution doesn't work?"  There was no design involved.  It was a transcription error (duplication) that fused with another transcription error and eventually mutated to undertake a new role.

Note also that this article is so lame that it does not even tell what this gene does.

It is expressed mostly in the testes, which means it generates a protein used there.  It's specific role was unnecessary for the story.

Note also that all the evo stuff is absolute unsubstantiated nonsense. The only known fact here is that this gene does not occur in any other species and that it would cause cancer on other species if they had it. Hardly a 'proof' of evolution.

There is no "proof" in science, you nimrod.  You've been told this time and again, but you appear incapable of retaining any form of information contrary to your particular worldview for more than a day.  This is strong evidence of evolution (increase in information, mutation, new functions, etc.).  That you can't or won't see it is your problem, not science's. 

65 posted on 02/20/2003 2:42:54 AM PST by Junior (I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
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