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Scruffy little weed shows Darwin was right as evolution moves on
Times Online | 2003-02-20 | Anthony Browne, Environment Editor

Posted on 02/20/2003 2:30:45 PM PST by Junior

IT STARTED with a biologist sitting on a grassy river bank in York, eating a sandwich. It ended in the discovery of a “scruffy little weed with no distinguishing features” that is the first new species to have been naturally created in Britain for more than 50 years.

The discovery of the York groundsel shows that species are created as well as made extinct, and that Charles Darwin was right and the Creationists are wrong. But the fragile existence of the species could soon be ended by the weedkillers of York City Council’s gardeners.

Richard Abbott, a plant evolutionary biologist from St Andrews University, has discovered “evolution in action” after noticing the lone, strange-looking and uncatalogued plant in wasteland next to the York railway station car park in 1979. He did not realise its significance and paid little attention. But in 1991 he returned to York, ate his sandwich and noticed that the plant had spread.

Yesterday, Dr Abbott published extensive research proving with DNA analysis that it is the first new species to have evolved naturally in Britain in the past 50 years.

“I’ve been a plant evolutionary biologist all my life, but you don’t think you’ll come across the origin of a new species in your lifetime. We’ve caught the species as it has originated — it is very satisfying,” he told the Times. “At a time in Earth’s history when animal and plant species are becoming extinct at an alarming rate, the discovery of the origin of a new plant species in Britain calls for a celebration.”

The creation of new species can takes thousands of years, making it too slow for science to detect. But the York groundsel is a natural hybrid between the common groundsel and the Oxford ragwort, which was introduced to Britain from Sicily 300 years ago. Hybrids are normally sterile, and cannot breed and die out.

But Dr Abbott’s research, published in the journal of the Botanical Society of the British Isles, shows that the York Groundsel is a genetic mutant that can breed, but not with any other species, including its parent species. It thus fits the scientific definition of a separate species.

“It is a very rare event — it is only known to have happened five times in the last hundred years” Dr Abbott said. It has happened twice before in the UK — the Spartina anglica was discovered in Southampton 100 years ago, and the Welsh groundsel, discovered in 1948.

The weed sets seed three months after germinating and has little yellow flowers. The species, which came into existance about 30 years ago, has been called Senecio eboracensis, after Eboracum, the Roman name for York. According to the research, it has now spread to spread to several sites around York, but only ever as a weed on disturbed ground.

However, more than 90 per cent of species that have lived subsequently become extinct, and its future is by no means certain.

“It is important for it to build up its numbers rapidly, or it could get rubbed out — which would be sad. The biggest threat to the new species is the weedkillers from the council,” Dr Abbott said.

However, he does not plan to start a planting programme to ensure his discovery lives on. “The next few years will be critical as to whether it becomes an established part of the British flora or a temporary curiosity. But we will let nature take its course,” he said.


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1 posted on 02/20/2003 2:30:45 PM PST by Junior
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To: Aric2000; balrog666; Condorman; *crevo_list; donh; general_re; Godel; Gumlegs; Ichneumon; jennyp; ..
The URL (which I forgot) is http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-584528,00.html
2 posted on 02/20/2003 2:31:38 PM PST by Junior (I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
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To: Junior
Put that in your pipe and...oh, never mind! :)
3 posted on 02/20/2003 2:37:49 PM PST by mallardx
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To: Junior; PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; general_re; longshadow; js1138
This should be an interesting thread!
4 posted on 02/20/2003 2:38:01 PM PST by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: Junior
A friggin' weed?

Oh no! We're evolving the wrong way!!

5 posted on 02/20/2003 2:40:27 PM PST by dead
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To: Junior
The discovery of the York groundsel shows that species are created as well as made extinct, and that Charles Darwin was right and the Creationists are wrong.

Discovery of a new weed proves that human beings weren't created? Uh huh... Sure.

6 posted on 02/20/2003 2:42:17 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats Piss Me Off !!)
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To: Junior
the York groundsel is a natural hybrid between the common groundsel and the Oxford ragwort

Charles Darwin would have been the first to say that this has nothing to do with his Theory of Evolution.

The Theory of Evolution posits the gradual transformation of one species into another owing to the "survival of the fittest." If the analysis is correct, this is an instance of a hybrid of two species that unusually proved to be fertile.

It actually accords better with Medieval science, which posited creatures such as the gryphon, a cross between an eagle and a lion, than with the Theory of Evolution. In itself, it neither proves nor disproves the T of E.

7 posted on 02/20/2003 2:43:12 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Cicero
Nope. The theory of evolution deals with organisms changing over generations. Daughter species may arise from parent species through these changes, but the parent species may still exist -- one species does not evolve into another, but the other species does evolved from the first. There is a difference. And it may not happen gradually (in geological time); indeed rapid speciation may take part after particularly nasty environmental disasters.
8 posted on 02/20/2003 2:46:24 PM PST by Junior (I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
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To: Junior
Charles Darwin was right and the Creationists are wrong...

I don't recall Creationism addressing what's happening now, only what happened then.

This dolt thinks he has proven what happened then by a single data point from now. That would take a much larger "leap of faith" than believing in God ever has.

9 posted on 02/20/2003 2:46:54 PM PST by Onelifetogive
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To: Junior
New species? Impossible. Everyone knows that man's nefarious activity has reduced biodiversity. Species can only be rendered extinct, no new ones can come into existence!
10 posted on 02/20/2003 2:46:59 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: balrog666
You're right. This is most definitely going to get interesting...
11 posted on 02/20/2003 2:48:25 PM PST by Junior (I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
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To: Junior
"It ended in the discovery of a “scruffy little weed"

That came from some other scruffy little weed, not a marigold, not a mum, not an oak tree. A weed came from a weed. Big deal.

12 posted on 02/20/2003 2:48:52 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: Junior
If this weed was in the US, I'd say kill it before it is added to the endangered species list! ;-)
13 posted on 02/20/2003 2:49:30 PM PST by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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To: Cicero
Another nail in the coffin of God and the creationism hoax .. .. .. I'm beginning to wither // melt !
14 posted on 02/20/2003 2:49:42 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth -- love * faith *// trust * *logic* -- *SANITY* Awakening + ))
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A weed changed into ... a weed - and this is supposed to confirm that weeds and worms, walruses and whales and women & men all came from a common amoeba?

Tune in next week when a foraminifera evolves into ... a foraminifera! Coming soon - a sparrow evolves into ... a sparrow! That proves forams and birds have a common ancestor with apes and college professors!
15 posted on 02/20/2003 2:53:01 PM PST by Con X-Poser
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To: Cicero
Charles Darwin would have been the first to say that this has nothing to do with his Theory of Evolution.

You're right. A hybrid weed isn't exactly proof of evo any more than a mule is.

“At a time in Earth’s history when animal and plant species are becoming extinct at an alarming rate, the discovery of the origin of a new plant species in Britain calls for a celebration.” The creation of new species can takes thousands of years, making it too slow for science to detect.

The above statement is itself a problem for evolution: If species are dying out at an alarming rate (which was as true 200 years ago as it is now) and new ones take thousands of years, is this not evidence that things are devolving?

16 posted on 02/20/2003 2:55:08 PM PST by Dataman
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To: StriperSniper
<< If this weed was in the US, I'd say kill it before it is added to the endangered species list! ;-) >>

Well, they found too many of those blasted spotted owls to keep them on the endangered list, so they gotta do SOMETHING!
17 posted on 02/20/2003 2:56:33 PM PST by Con X-Poser
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To: Con X-Poser
As usual, you completely miss the point. Of course a weed species has, for its immediate ancestor, another weed species. Only creationists think whole new styles of critter spring full blown. You just keep on using your strawman version of evolution to argue against, and folks who know what they are talking about will continue to laugh at you and consider you thick.
18 posted on 02/20/2003 2:56:43 PM PST by Junior (I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
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To: Junior
Come see me when it establishes its own new phylum. Then we are talking evolution. Once again we confuse variations (micro-evolution) with macroevolution. Yawn.
19 posted on 02/20/2003 2:57:53 PM PST by CalConservative
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To: Junior
Oh great....more liberal puke in an attempt at giving evolution credibility.

So no-one noticed this little weed - that suddenly makes it a newly evolved species? Yeah - right.
20 posted on 02/20/2003 2:58:02 PM PST by TheBattman
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