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1 posted on 02/22/2003 8:39:02 PM PST by Drewman626
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To: Drewman626
If this truly was about oil, we would have been running the oil fields in Kuwait since Desert Storm.

Actually, in a way it is about oil, but it's about French and German contracts for Saddam's oil. We're trying to take out a world-class menace, and the French and Germans are trying to protect their investments.
2 posted on 02/22/2003 8:42:49 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Drewman626
We can always give the "Axis of Evil" and The Axis of Weasels" something to blame us for!
3 posted on 02/22/2003 8:44:29 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Drewman626
Also, why would we tear up the oil wells by war just to rebuild them. I figured we could do that but the break even point would be in 2013.
4 posted on 02/22/2003 8:46:05 PM PST by wattsup
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To: Drewman626
Great post. It’s about time we settled this BS argument once and for all. Even though oil ain’t peanut butter, the only argument that can be made is the following: Sadaam is like Hitler, and Stalin because he has the resources (oil) to spread terror. Ergo, he has to go.
6 posted on 02/22/2003 8:53:13 PM PST by dix (.)
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To: Drewman626

TABLE 1. Ranking of world provinces that contain oil and gas by known petroleum volumes.

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                                                                          Percent Cum.
                                                                          of      Percent
     Rank                                                                 World   of World
     excl.                                       Known Petroleum Volumes  Volume  Volume
      of  Province      Province      Assessment  Oil   Gas  NGL  Total   excl.of excl.of
Rank U.S.  Code           Name           Type     (BB) (TCF) (BB) (BBOE)  U.S.    U.S.
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  1     1  1174  West Siberian Basin   Priority  140.4 1271.8 3.1 355.6   14.3    14.3
  2     2  2024  Mesopotamian
                 Foredeep Basin        Priority  292.4 298.3  1.8 344.0   13.8    28.1
  3     3  2021  Greater Ghawar Uplift Priority  141.7 248.6  8.6 191.7    7.7    35.8
  4     4  2030  Zagros Fold Belt      Priority  121.6 399.4  1.4 189.5    7.6    43.4
  5     5  2019  Rub Al Khali Basin    Priority   89.9 182.3  2.6 122.8    4.9    48.3
  6     6  2022  Qatar Arch            Priority    1.2 465.6 13.8  92.5    3.7      52
  7     7  1015  Volga-Ural Region     Priority   64.0 99.2   1.1  81.6    3.3    55.3
  8     8  4025  North Sea Graben      Priority   44.1 160.6  6.0  76.9    3.1    58.4
  9        5047  Western Gulf                     26.9 251.6  7.5  76.2
 10        5044  Permian Basin                    32.7 94.0   6.7  55.0
 11     9  6099  Maracaibo Basin       Priority   49.1 26.7  <0.1  53.6    2.2    60.6
 12    10  7192  Niger Delta           Priority   34.8 93.9   2.8  53.3    2.1    62.7
 13    11  6098  East Venezuela Basin  Priority   30.2 129.7  0.7  52.6    2.1    64.8
 14    12  1016  North Caspian Basin   Priority   10.8 156.9  8.9  45.8    1.8    66.6
 15    13  2043  Sirte Basin           Priority   36.7 37.7   0.1  43.1    1.7    68.4
 16    14  5305  Villahermosa Uplift   Priority   35.0 41.3   0.1  42.0    1.7    70.1
 17    15  1154  Amu-Darya Basin       Priority    0.8 230.4  1.2  40.3    1.6    71.7
 18        5097  Gulf Cenozoic OCS                11.9 140.3  0.0  36.8
 19    16  5243  Alberta Basin         Priority   15.0 93.7   2.3  32.9    1.3      73
 20    17  3127  Bohaiwan Basin        Priority   24.6 15.7   0.1  27.3    1.1    74.1
 21    18  4035  Northwest German
                 Basin                 Priority    2.3 141.7 <0.1  25.9    1.0    75.1
 22    19  2058  Grand Erg/Ahnet Basin Priority    0.5 114.2  5.0  24.6    1.0    76.1
 23    20  1112  South Caspian Basin   Priority   17.4 36.0   0.5  23.9    1.0    77.1
 24        5001  Northern Alaska                  14.4 33.0   1.1  21.0
 25        5058  Anadarko Basin                    2.2 93.1   2.8  20.6
 26    21  2054  Trias/Ghadames Basin  Priority   15.3 25.1   1.0  20.5    0.8    77.9
 27    22  1008  Timan-Pechora Basin   Priority   13.2 36.6   0.7  20.0    0.8    78.7
 28    23  2023  Widyan Basin-Interior
                 Platform              Priority   17.4  7.4  <0.1  18.7    0.8    79.5
 29    24  7203  West-Central Coastal  Priority   14.5 12.2   0.1  16.6    0.7    80.1
 30        5010  San Joaquin Basin                13.8 12.5   0.7  16.6
 31        5048  East Texas Basin                  9.2 34.8   1.6  16.6
 32    25  3144  Songliao Basin        Priority   15.5  1.7   0.0  15.8    0.6    80.8
 33        5049  Louisiana-Mississippi
                 Salt Basins                       7.1 42.8   1.3  15.6
 34    26  3702  Greater Sarawak Basin Priority    0.8 82.3   0.4  14.9    0.6    81.4
 35    27  1109  Middle Caspian Basin  Priority    9.6 28.7   0.1  14.4    0.6    81.9
 36    28  3808  Central Sumatra Basin Priority   13.2  3.9  <0.1  13.9    0.6    82.5
 37    29  3701  Baram Delta/Brunei-
                 Sabah Basin           Priority    6.9 36.2   0.2  13.1    0.5      83
 38    30  8043  Bombay                Priority    8.4 24.2   0.3  12.7    0.5    83.5
 39    31  4036  Anglo-Dutch Basin     Priority    0.6 71.7   0.1  12.7    0.5      84
 40    32  2056  Illizi Basin          Priority    3.7 45.1   0.9  12.1    0.5    84.5
 41    33  3703  Malay Basin           Priority    3.7 48.3   0.3  12.0    0.5      85
 42        5043  Palo Duro Basin                   1.8 48.4   2.1  11.9
 43    34  3817  Kutei Basin           Priority    2.9 45.8   1.3  11.8    0.5    85.5
 44    35  1050  South Barents Basin   Priority    0.0 70.0   0.1  11.8    0.5      86
 45    36  1009  Dnieper-Donets Basin  Priority    1.6 59.1   0.2  11.7    0.5    86.4
 46    37  3948  Northwest Shelf       Priority    1.1 56.7   1.0  11.6    0.5    86.9
 47    38  6035  Campos Basin          Priority   10.1  6.2  <0.1  11.2    0.4    87.3
 48    39  2071  Red Sea Basin         Priority    9.2  8.5   0.3  10.9    0.4    87.8
 49        5014  Los Angeles Basin                 8.6  7.0   0.4  10.1
 50        5022  San Juan Basin                    0.3 38.2   1.4   8.0

http://greenwood.cr.usgs.gov/energy/WorldEnergy/OF97-463/97463tbl1.html
7 posted on 02/22/2003 9:15:16 PM PST by Lessismore
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To: Drewman626
Although your thesis is probably correct, your data is flawed. The source you posted lists the largest petroleum producing Companies not countries. You certainly cannot use that as a basis for international oil production. That being said, I generally support your theories as well as the idea that this is not a war about U.S. access to oil. For better country information, try here: Energy Information Adminstration
8 posted on 02/22/2003 9:39:31 PM PST by GallopingGhost
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Exactly. If this were about oil, we would be allied with Saddam. Or instead of protecting the ethnics with "no-fly zones" we could have occupied the zones "for their protection".

Notice also that the northern no-fly zone stops just short of the oil fields, leaving them in Saddam's control. Why would we do that, if we wanted the oil?

Also, the fact is that after the Iran Iraq war, Saddam invited us into his oil industry. By opposing him in Kuwait, we lost access that we could have had.

And, obviously, we could have traded an end to sanctions any time for access to his oil fields. If thats what it was about.
9 posted on 02/22/2003 10:29:40 PM PST by marron
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To: Drewman626
I think we should invade Alaska and take our own oil...
10 posted on 02/22/2003 10:36:53 PM PST by willshaker
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To: Drewman626; *war_list; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; MadIvan; PhiKapMom; ...
OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST
11 posted on 02/22/2003 10:37:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam and his Baby Milk Factories!!)
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bump
12 posted on 02/22/2003 10:49:10 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Drewman626
BTTT
13 posted on 02/22/2003 10:54:28 PM PST by SW6906
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To: Drewman626
Saying this is all about oil is like saying 911 is all about trees. Lumber is an abundant natural resource in the USA, but it is not the sole identifying atribute of this country, nor is oil for Iraq.

To profess such a pedestrian understanding of a country and their people is to overlook the deeper issues at play like the fact that saddom is a defeted agressor under terms to disarm. We are living up to our end of the deal (by stoping the 37 member country coalition in the Iraqi desert, and returning 60,000 surrendered troops), but saddom is not.

Iraq is under an agreement that brought the suspension of hostilities in 1991. How long that suspension lasts is up to saddom.

But here's the zinger that shuts them up:

Q: Name for me the oil field that the USA seized in 1991?

14 posted on 02/22/2003 11:04:36 PM PST by ChadGore (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordian)
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The American Left and its international comrades are claiming that the impending war with Iraq is not about defanging terrorism. Rather, they say, it's all about oil. They argue that President Bush is really motivated by a desire to seize Iraqi oil for American oil companies (and gas-guzzling American SUV drivers). "No blood for oil!" is their rallying cry.

No basis has ever been cited for this accusation — perhaps because the accusation makes no sense, as a matter of basic economics.

Unless the Iraqis drill and sell their oil, it is worthless to them. They must sell it somewhere on the world oil market to get any gain out of it.

But oil is a fungible commodity, so once they sell it — anywhere — it becomes part of the world oil supply. That increased supply in turn reduces the world oil price, until some equilibrium is reached between supply and demand.

From that point on, it doesn't matter to anyone where the Iraqi oil actually goes. If it goes to Japan, the Japanese will buy less oil from Venezuela and Nigeria. More oil from those countries would then go to the U.S. Indeed, as the oil supply sloshes around on world markets, no one really cares — or keeps track of — where it originated, so long as it meets quality standards. For all anybody knows or cares, every drop of Iraqi oil could end up at southern California gas stations.

Moreover, just who do the "war protesters" think Iraq would sell its oil to, in any event? The Western oil companies, primarily American companies, would be the primary purchasers of Iraqi oil, whether they buy it directly or circuitously through various middlemen. Who else is going to refine, distribute, and sell the stuff to the huge Western (and particularly American) consumer market? Have you ever seen or heard of any Iraqi gas stations?

In short, the oil companies already ultimately get the oil now. They don't need Bush to go to war to get it for them.

The proportion of the world oil supply currently consumed by America will continue to get here one way or another through world oil markets. If oil producers tried to cut off the huge American consumer market, there would effectively be a huge drop in the total world demand for their oil — and, consequently, a huge reduction in the world price.

Who else is going to consume world oil output except American consumers (and those gas-guzzling SUVs)? The truth is that Middle Eastern oil producers — including Iraq — need America and its consumers a lot more than we need them. We can always figure out other ways of powering our transportation and warming our homes, technologically. But has the Middle East ever figured out any way of getting dollars other than pumping and selling oil?

That is why an oil boycott is ultimately no real threat either. Again, Iraq and other oil producers must sell the oil somewhere on the world market to get anything out of it. And once they do, they add to the world oil supply and reduce the price to approach a new supply/demand equilibrium. The world oil market then distributes the available oil supply to wherever the demand is — which means America and the rest of the West.

Indeed, it is the West that has been restraining Iraqi oil supply since the Gulf War, with various restrictions on Iraqi oil sales. And it has been the Iraqis who have been pleading to open up their production and sales. An Iraqi oil boycott is not even remotely an issue today.

So the contention that the impending war is really about oil is senseless as well as being baseless. Which leaves us with this question: Why is the American Left joining with its foreign comrades to defame America with this silly and transparently false accusation? Is it really all just about anti-Americanism? Is it really just rooted in a hatred of American power and an attempt to stop its exercise? Isn't it time they came clean and told the truth?

— Peter Ferrara is director of the International Center for Law and Economics in Fairfax, Va.

15 posted on 02/22/2003 11:13:09 PM PST by ChadGore (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordian)
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BUMP
17 posted on 02/22/2003 11:30:32 PM PST by GrandMoM (Spare the rod, spoil the child!)
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To: Drewman626
I'm going to end this "It's about oil" argument once and for all.

No you're not.

You're simplisticly naive to translate "it's about oil" to a more restrictive "it's about Iraqi oil."

It is Saddam Hussein's ambitions of territorial expansion that threaten political stability, and petroleum resources, in the entire Persian Gulf region. If this were not true, this regional conflict would be ignored the same as the Hutu and Tutsis in Africa.

18 posted on 02/23/2003 2:32:18 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Drewman626
Iraq produces between 3% and 5% of the world's daily oil supply on any given day.

My new favorite line?
"NO OIL FOR PACIFISTS!"

If implentened, that would shrink the Anti-War/Anti-Dubya/Pro-Saddam protests to
about 1 to 5 percent of their size.

Another factoid not often mentioned:
EIGHT PERCENT of the oil imported into California is from...IRAQ.
Californians HAVE to be against war on Iraq not because they are liberals
and care about "collateral damage" death of Iraqi civilans...
the issue for California's "limousine liberals" is just a bottom-line one: "How can I
keep my Benz, Beemer, Land Rover and Hummer H2 gassed up as cheaply as possible!?".

(On average, states import FOUR percent of their oil from Iraq; California is at
twice the national average. These facts drawn from the front page of the Business
section of The Los Angeles Times, Feb 10, 2003, IIRC.)
19 posted on 02/23/2003 2:41:05 PM PST by VOA
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