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To: BibChr; The_Reader_David
Thank God those Orthodox fathers sat down and TOLD Christians what read (through the divine guidence of the Holy Spirit I am sure) or you wuld have been reading the apocrypha and thinking it was authentic too.
99 posted on 02/26/2003 12:20:04 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Thank God those Orthodox fathers sat down and TOLD Christians what [sic; add "to"?] read (through the divine guidence of the Holy Spirit I am sure) or you wuld [sic] have been reading the apocrypha and thinking it was authentic too

Well, now we're guessing, aren't we? And why, with such realities to occupy us?

I'm grateful that they were Biblical in so many things. I enjoy Chrysostom, in Greek as well as English. I think that Chalcedon contains a marvelous confession of what the Bible teaches about Jesus.

But neither is the Word of God! God put that Word in the hands of each of His children, as I've shown you; it is our birthright. Nobody will take it from us.

But to carry on your thought: do you think "the Orthodox fathers" gave us Jesus, too? Because they made a splendid statement of Biblical Christology, in your mind does that mean that, in spite of the clear teaching of the Word of God (John 1:1; 20:28; Titus 2:13, etc. etc.) we'd all be saying He was a mere creature, if not for them? In your mind, when I say "Look! A beautiful sunrise!", am I creating the sunrise, and do I now own it, so that others have to report to me to enjoy it secondhand?

Dan

100 posted on 02/26/2003 12:27:51 PM PST by BibChr (Sects enslave and degrade; Christ frees and glorifies)
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To: Destro; crazykatz; BibChr
As I told Destro in a private message, it really is useless to argue with BibChr.

He quite firmly believes not only that his own private reading of the shortened protestant canon of Scripture is the True Faith, but that it is also the only source of truth.

It is thus quite useless to remind him that the Scriptures were fixed by councils of the Orthodox Church, that the Church existed before the New Testament was fully composed (Acts is a book of history, not prophecy, after all), or that the short canon he uses is missing books because the German reformers erroneously decided to follow the Christ-denying Jews of the Council of Jamnia.

Unfortunately, it is also equally useless to quote the Holy Scriptures to him in defense of the Faith, because it is not the Scriptures he trusts, but his own reading of them.

Thus, though we may cite Acts 15 as the model of concilar government in the Church, he will prefer private interpretation to the decisions of Church councils. Though we may cite St. Peter speaking of becoming through grace "partakers of the divine nature," and Our Lord commenting on the Psalmist's words "I have said ye are gods", he will not accept the Orthodox doctrine of salvation as theosis because it does not agree with his own interpretation of the Scriptures. Though we may cite Our Lord's words "This is my body" and "This is my blood" he will not accept the Orthodox doctrine of the reality of the Eucharist as the very body and blood of Christ because his interpretation is deaf to the plain meaning of those words and hears only "do this in rememberance of me" (and worse, does not fully understand the strength of the original word amanesis).

Don't bother arguing with him unless your really think that there are others on the thread who will be edified by your arguments.

111 posted on 02/27/2003 11:40:19 AM PST by The_Reader_David
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