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Anti-Creationists Backed Into a Corner?
AgapePress ^ | February 24, 2003 | Jim Brown

Posted on 02/24/2003 1:25:18 PM PST by Remedy

More than 200 evolutionists have issued a statement aimed at discrediting advocates of intelligent design and belittling school board resolutions that question the validity of Darwinism.

The National Center for Science Education has issued a statement that backs evolution instruction in public schools and pokes fun at those who favor teaching the controversy surrounding Darwinian evolution. According to the statement, "it is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible" for creation science to be introduced into public school science textbooks. [See Earlier Article]

Forrest Turpen, executive director of Christian Educators Association International, says it is obvious the evolution-only advocates feel their ideology and livelihood are being threatened.

"There is a tremendous grouping of individuals whose life and whose thought patterns are based on only an evolutionary point of view," Turpen says, "so to allow criticism of that would be to criticize who they are and what they're about. That's one of the issues."

Turpen says the evolution-only advocates also feel their base of financial rewards is being threatened.

"There's a financial issue here, too," he says. "When you have that kind of an establishment based on those kinds of thought patterns, to show that there may be some scientific evidence -- and there is -- that would refute that, undermines their ability to control the science education and the financial end of it."

Turpen says although evolutionists claim they support a diversity of viewpoints in the classroom, they are quick to stifle any criticism of Darwinism. In Ohio recently, the State Board of Education voted to allow criticism of Darwinism in its tenth-grade science classes.


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To: Saturnalia
"I think that statement is missing quite a bit in between...."

In retrospect, I was one more cup o' coffee away from making sense ;-)

741 posted on 03/01/2003 9:22:38 PM PST by F16Fighter (Democrats: 'Hating and betraying America's heritage is our "right."')
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To: PatrickHenry
Well, at least you know you're confused. No one can explain origins. I never had the gullible faith to accept the atheistic fantasies.
On the other hand, we can see in our world today that "things" do not self-order into higher levels of non-equilibrium...except under guidance of a mind.
If evolution happened, from molecules to man, it did not hapeen by accident. Haven't you seen the math?
742 posted on 03/02/2003 7:50:11 AM PST by metacognative
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To: metacognative
I never had the gullible faith to accept the atheistic fantasies.

I've never had the death to be alive. Never had the height to be short. Never had the fat to be thin.

On the other hand, we can see in our world today that "things" do not self-order into higher levels of non-equilibrium...except under guidance of a mind.

Other than man-made things, which are not the issue, give us your one best example of such a high-level thing.

If evolution happened, from molecules to man, it did not hapeen by accident. Haven't you seen the math?

I've seen math which purports to demonstrate this, but nothing that even comes close to being persuasive. Spare us a gigantic post. Just link to the website where you think such math can be found. However, to save you the bother of posting a link to one of the usual creationist websites, I'll tell you right up front that someone's estimate of the alleged odds against a living cell somehow flying together from randomly scattered atoms is so far removed from the subject at hand that it's not worth our attention.

743 posted on 03/02/2003 8:23:50 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas)
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To: PatrickHenry
A spider web. A birdnest. Does nonsense come natural to you? Only alchemists can change lead into gold and only darwinites can change algae into an ecosystem.
Check out Dembski's specified complexity detector,
or Hoyle's 'tornado in a junkyard' yarn.
744 posted on 03/02/2003 2:59:35 PM PST by metacognative
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To: metacognative
A spider web. A birdnest. ...

A joke from a jokester. How informative.

745 posted on 03/02/2003 3:02:54 PM PST by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: Dataman
I guess Ichy has decided that he is a fraud liar and fool after all.
746 posted on 03/03/2003 7:13:45 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: Boiler Plate
I guess Ichy has decided that he is a fraud liar and fool after all.

Or he's decided you are. I know which option is more likely from my worldview.

747 posted on 03/05/2003 6:10:38 PM PST by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: balrog666; Heartlander; Dataman
Balrog,

From your handle I would surmise that your "Worldview" would be infested with deceit, hatred and darkness. Doesn't really sound like a hot bed for science and truth. Let me remind you, though, Ichy is the one who first shot off this little missive:

Because that's what the copious evidence indicates happened, because every prediction of evolution which has been put to the test has been confirmed, and because I've done numerous evolutionary algorithms and they've performed spectacularly well in exactly the way that creationists claim is impossible. As further confirmation, over the past thirty years I've examined every creationist attempt to poke a hole in the theory and found that in every single case the argument failed because the creationists making the proposal were a) ignorant, b) idiots, or c) dishonest (or some combination thereof). Okay, that's not *entirely* fair (just mostly) -- on very, very rare occasions I've found a creationist attempt at "hole punching" to be the result of an intelligent, well-informed, honest attempt which turned out to be in error in some subtle way. But such examples are rare enough that I can count they average out to far less than one per year. The vast majority are just the same old recycled trash which was shown to be trivially fallacious (or shockingly dishonest) long, long ago.

I then asked him to support this idiotic claim and the best he could come up with is that he put Hovind and Gore3000 in their place. I was somewhat underwhelmed as one could imagine.

However if you want to stick up for Ichy why don't put up some empirical scientific evidence to support his claim to total intellectual domination and your "Worldview" as well.

Good luck and happy hunting.

Kindest regards,
Boiler Plate

748 posted on 03/05/2003 6:48:11 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: Boiler Plate
From your handle I would surmise that your "Worldview" would be infested with deceit, hatred and darkness.

A pointless non-sequitur as you and your fellow travelers would surmise that anyway simply because I am not an obsessive Creationidiot.

749 posted on 03/06/2003 9:12:07 AM PST by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: balrog666; Heartlander; Dataman
A pointless non-sequitur as you and your fellow travelers would surmise that anyway simply because I am not an obsessive Creationidiot.

Ah, true evolutionist debate tactics. Since you can not defend your position on a inteligent level or even know what it is you believe in, then just call the other guy names and claim victory.

Touche' then, you win! Well at least by yours and Ichy's standard. I bet all the other kids will be impressed.

Best Regards,
Boiler Plate

750 posted on 03/06/2003 4:18:37 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: Boiler Plate
I bet all the other kids will be impressed.

I don't want to give away too much here, but certain cretan evos actually repulse potential converts.

751 posted on 03/06/2003 4:38:55 PM PST by Dataman
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To: Dataman
That is all too apparent.
752 posted on 03/06/2003 6:01:55 PM PST by Boiler Plate
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To: balrog666
A joke? How can molecules bumping into other feel humor?
How can I be a true believing darwinite with these doubts?
753 posted on 03/07/2003 1:08:51 PM PST by metacognative
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To: metacognative
Why bother?

I close my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone
All my dreams, pass before my eyes, a curiosity
Dust in the wind, all they are is dust in the wind.
Same old song, just a drop of water in an endless sea
All we do, crumbles to the ground, though we refuse to see

Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind

[Now] Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy.

Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind
Dust in the wind, everything is dust in the wind.

754 posted on 03/08/2003 7:23:37 AM PST by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: balrog666
so how did the dust get organized into a newborn baby..?
"all lies and jest..still a man sees what he wants to see,
and disregards the rest."
What is it you don't want to see?
755 posted on 03/08/2003 1:42:57 PM PST by metacognative
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To: metacognative
Mrs. Toad baked some cookies
And Mr. Toad had a ball
But when he finished eating the green sugar cookies
Well his tummy couldn't hold them all...
756 posted on 03/08/2003 2:55:33 PM PST by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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