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Can Star Trek Be Saved? (lighter topic alert)
TV Guide ^ | 2/03 | Nollinger

Posted on 02/25/2003 11:14:23 AM PST by pabianice

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To: wirestripper
It needs more testosterone. I need more testosterone

Not a bad idea...but a little more estrogen never hurt...


61 posted on 02/25/2003 11:56:31 AM PST by TheBigB (If you put [Barbra Streisand's] brain up a flea's ass, it would roll around like a BB in a boxcar.)
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To: pabianice
I stopped watching "Enterprise" months ago, and believe you me, it was not an easy thing to do. Unfortunately, Berman & Co. have dumbed down the show to an intolerable level.

Science fiction needs to be imaginative and challenging; the only thing "Enterprise" has going for it is T'Pol's knockers, and while they are a 10, the show itself is still a 1 (or maybe 2, for obvious reasons).
62 posted on 02/25/2003 11:56:33 AM PST by mg39
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To: Bogey78O
Bingo! There you go! That's what I was trying to say all along.
63 posted on 02/25/2003 11:57:18 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Bogey78O
Great Question. One that I've been hoping they'd get to.
For my money ST II:WOK was the best of ANYTHING produced in the ST Pantheon.
Although busty Vulcans are nice, too.
64 posted on 02/25/2003 11:57:47 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool (I am Jack's smirking revenge.)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Bear in mind that the original Klingons were not beyond cheating, lying, and killing innocents to get their way.

Excellant points ... all of them. You are obviously much more 'current' than I. Star Trek TNG lost me, when I saw the direction that DS9 was going, I found other things to do. I still love Sci-Fi; but Star Trek has become unwatchable. The writers have determined that the Bad Guys aren't really bad ... just not understood. There is no better way to destroy a story-line, if evil is marginalized. Iraq, or Star Trek. Evil is evil.

65 posted on 02/25/2003 11:58:05 AM PST by Hodar (American's first. .... help the others, after we have helped our own.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
If Star Trek is about humans, why is it that no one ever screws up? That's what humans specialize in. In B5, everyone screwed up now and then. Made the characters more realistic. They had flaws. They were us. (With cooler clothes)
66 posted on 02/25/2003 11:58:10 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Oh yeah, I'm with you 100% on the Gorn. Since "Enterprise" has already jettisoned continuity a number of times (remember, it was Picard who first met the Ferengi, not Archer), bring back the Gorn and maybe, just maybe, I'll start watching again.

As it is, I grow weary of the series. ;)
67 posted on 02/25/2003 11:58:32 AM PST by mg39
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To: wirestripper
A tough thing to do with a gay actor

Call me uninformed ... but ... who's the gay actor ????

68 posted on 02/25/2003 11:59:24 AM PST by clamper1797 (Credo Quia Absurdum)
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
Part 3 was damn good too IMHO. The scene where Kirk's son gets killed and his emotional response which carried over into the other movies was a great bit of scripting.
69 posted on 02/25/2003 12:00:07 PM PST by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: John H K
What's killing the show is the lack of interaction with the traditional enemies of the first Star Trek; I think what people want to see is how the hatred and distrust between the Earth/(and later the Federation) and the Romulans and Klingons got started. Instead they give us the Suliban who are never heard from again the rest of Star Trek.

Good suggestion, and maybe, just maybe, quit making the Vulcans the enemy. What's up with that?

70 posted on 02/25/2003 12:00:19 PM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: AngryAmerican
Seven of Nine

Kirk using items of mass obliteration

Bones ribs of Spock

Stellar body contact with green chicks

These are the things that make Star Trek not Janeway talking with the enemy.

71 posted on 02/25/2003 12:00:56 PM PST by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always Flexable)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Enterprise flying around as the weaklings of the galaxy with the humans patronized by just about everyone as if they were infants taking their first steps

Er, humans in the Enterprise time period are infants taking their first steps onto the galactic stage.

72 posted on 02/25/2003 12:01:19 PM PST by steve-b
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To: pabianice
Bump for later comment. I've watched since I was old enough to sit up in front of the tv - Original series fan.
Gotta put in my 2 cents..
73 posted on 02/25/2003 12:01:25 PM PST by Havoc (Excersize your iq muscles, read Coulter)
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To: LibertarianLiz
"Good suggestion, and maybe, just maybe, quit making the Vulcans the enemy. What's up with that?"

Yeah! As a kid, Spock was my hero. The Vulcans were cool under fire, smart, and tough as hell. In "Enterprise," they're whiny wimps. That's not a change for the better!
74 posted on 02/25/2003 12:02:13 PM PST by mg39
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To: pabianice
They need to kill Enterprise and use the money to bring back Space Above and Beyond. The best military sciece fiction show that was ever on the tube.
75 posted on 02/25/2003 12:02:51 PM PST by fish70
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To: clamper1797
Bakula
76 posted on 02/25/2003 12:02:51 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: neutrino
I haven't erased it yet, but the previous episode, along with the previews of this episode, has convinced me to delete it...unwatched.

Delete it. It just might be the worst ending ever...(Best CBG voice.)
Seriously, though, it sucked. Besides being PAINFULLY obvious, it was moralistic drek.
Portraying the Andorians, this very evil, warrior races as having 'soft spots' for humans in spite of being able to hold hatred towards Vulcans for millenia is a bit much.
Delete it. Now. And be glad.
77 posted on 02/25/2003 12:04:26 PM PST by dyed_in_the_wool (I am Jack's smirking revenge.)
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To: fish70
It's a shame they canned it. The brains behind it went on to make Jet Li's "The One" which was an interesting concept and had a part in it for the Colonel from S:AaB
78 posted on 02/25/2003 12:04:40 PM PST by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: Question_Assumptions
You'll probably just love the fact that a May Sweeps episode will be centered on.....

THE BORG!

No kidding. They find remnants of a crashed Borg sphere in Antartica and among the wreckage are "borg parts" The crash apparently was from about 100 years in the past (can you say "First Contact"? I though you could!) The scientists researching the site discover that the "borg parts" can regenerate, and accidently get assimilated. SF sends an armed shuttle to investigate...and it gets assimilated. Enterprise has to save the day...

Wonder if it will suck as much as I think it will?

79 posted on 02/25/2003 12:05:22 PM PST by RayBob (Put your ad here!)
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To: Republic of Texas
If Star Trek is about humans, why is it that no one ever screws up?

IMO, it's because ST is written by materialistic atheists who believe (in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary) that mankind is perfectable, and that technological development somehow implies moral perfection. They're wrong, of course, but when did that ever stop anybody? It explains what I observe, and hints of it existed even in the original series. In fact, that theme exists in SciFi generally: sometimes as the moral of the story, sometimes as an error to be exposed by the story. Remember the UFO-cultists greeting the flying saucers in Independance Day?

80 posted on 02/25/2003 12:05:23 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (SciFi fan (on and off) since about age 6.)
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