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To: pabianice
"What can you say?" executive producer Brannon Braga says. "We're bummed

That's because you're politically correct .... show us some images of a big honkin war against an implacable enemy with photon torpedoes going off planetside ....

People are tired of Star Trek ships being a bunch of pansies and trying to address 'social issues'

The busty vulcan chick is a step in the right direction, but they need a cowboy captain that doesn't take any crap from aliens.

10 posted on 02/25/2003 11:27:09 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: Centurion2000
People are tired of Star Trek ships being a bunch of pansies and trying to address 'social issues'

You're a guy after my own heart. This has definitely been the problem of all the StarTreks after the original.

I always characterize the differences like this:
Captain Kirk would go down to a planet and find some kind of benevolent power which provides everything for the people. Kirk immediately shouts, "Men are supposed to work, and struggle and claw their way through life." And then would set about trying to neutralize said benevolent power.

But Picard had a totally different perspective. He would say, "Oh no. People shouldn't have to work and struggle. Eventhing you need should be provided. Personal property? He scoffs. We abandonded that outmoded idea long ago. We're all good little Socialist now. And fight? Somebody might get hurt. I'm sure we can talk our way out of any situation. I guess his French was showing.

TNG made me sick!

And finally, the magicical interplay between the Kirk, Spock, Bones, and all the other characters was unparalleled. This was partly because all of the characters were characatures. They were simple enough so that you knew everything about them. Deeper characters are for dramas, not SciFi action.

101 posted on 02/25/2003 12:14:59 PM PST by pjd
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To: Centurion2000
...show us some images of a big honkin war against an implacable enemy with photon torpedoes going off planetside...

Now yer talkin'.

People are tired of Star Trek ships being a bunch of pansies and trying to address 'social issues'

And how. At least when the original series slipped us a morality tale or some commentary on a social issue, it was a social issue with some weight to it. This PC crap began with the Picard character and his incessant "talk the problem away" style of leadership. Well, at least the French will be consistent well into the future. ;-)

The busty vulcan chick is a step in the right direction, but they need a cowboy captain that doesn't take any crap from aliens.

Hey, the first series had the cowboy *and* the hot chicks. Often with their slippers under the same bunk.

Here's a thought: The original show takes place several decades after an interstellar war between Earth and the Romulan Empire. If Paramount is looking for an engaging story line that falls before the original series, it's right there under their noses.

218 posted on 02/25/2003 3:07:34 PM PST by Charles Martel
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