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DISPUTED TERRITORIES: Forgotten Facts About the West Bank and Gaza Strip
Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs ^ | February 2003

Posted on 02/26/2003 12:18:30 PM PST by anotherview

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To: robertpaulsen; anotherview
"You’re right, among the principles 242 set’s out, is a call for for termination of all states of belligerency, violated on numerous occasions by the arab states."
Wrong. Resolution 242 does not call for a termination of "all" states of belligerency. Read the text. It says, "Termination of all claims or states of belligerency...".
It does not say, "Termination of all claims or all states of belligerency...".
I rest my case. But I made it for a reason. And that was to make you think.

Your “case” has already rested by virtue of never making one. Rather than watching you selectively parse words from the resolution, I’ll post it below for reference.

If I had 10 pencils and you took all of them and I asked for "a return of pencils taken", how many would you return? Do you realize how silly you would look if you say anything other than 10? Do you think you could return 8 because I didn't ask for "all" of them?
Do you think I will be happy with 8? Is it because you're much bigger than me that you'll decide how many to give me, and I should be happy I got any at all?

Having signed agreements to accept 8, I’d assume you’d be happy with 8, though I acknowledge that deception, especially when dealing with Jews and/or Christians is an accepted arab tactic.

To my knowledge, during peace negotiations, neither Jordan nor Egypt asserted any claim to pencils 9 and 10, nor negotiated for their return, a function of the dysfunctional populations of those areas, I suspect.

If I’ve missed something, you’re free to fill me in.

In any case, they did sign treaties with Israel which they should honor. I suppose you could write them and suggest they attack Israel to get their pencils back, Egypt might listen.

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The Security Council,

Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,

Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,

Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter.

1. Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

2. Affirms further the necessity:

(a) For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;

(b) For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;

(c) For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;

3. Requests the Secretary­General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;

4. Requests the Secretary­General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.

21 posted on 02/26/2003 4:16:00 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
No, I'm telling you, that until the 70's, when Jordan kicked the Pali's out, several hundred thousand of them claimed Jordan as their home. Israel took them in, when NO Arab country would. Treachery is their reward for that act of kindness.

2000 years ago, Jews, Arabs and God only knows who else wandered around on that land. EVERY country on earth is made up of different tribes or peoples. Usually, for whatever reason, one group emeges as dominant. Why do the Pali's get the special dispensation to be terrorists? Most other civilized countries, and people, find more peaceful ways to assert themselves. Only Muslim Arabs, and a few tribes in Africa have failed to grasp that simple concept.

22 posted on 02/26/2003 4:22:51 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
That is an interesting analogy, but you have it backwards.

The Arabs conquered Judea/Israel from the Byzantines in 640-41. Until that time, despite repeated slaughters, colonization, and ethnic cleansing, Jews and Samaritans were still the majority population.
The Arab Muslims proceeded to start Islmacizing the land. Synagogues and Churches were turned into Mosques. At various points there were forced conversions. Jews and Christians were, at best, Dhimmi and had to pay a special tax.
Despite this, thousands of Jews remained in occupied Israel, and a small number always immigrated. In the 1880's, a larger number began to immigrate. At the same time, Arabs from Syria Egypt Iraq and Lebanon also immigrated to take advantage of jobs created as Jews began to buy and imrpove the land. The fact is that between 1890 and 1946 more Arabs than Jews settled the land.

However, the landless Arab tenants began to become radicalised. Working for Jews was abhorrent in Islam.
tensions arose in the 1920's. In 1923, 3/4 of "Palestine" was set aside as an Arab state, Transjordan. Jews were effectively barred from this land and Jewish property there was seized. The remaining 1/4 of the land (essentially 1949 Israel plus the West Bank adn Gaza) was set aside for Jewish settlement.
Unfortunately, while teh Arabs agreed to this, new violence broke out under the agitation of the British installed Grand Mufti, Haj Amin Al-Husseini. The British stepped aside for a week whuile Arabs slaughtered Jews adn expelled them from Hebron. http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_riots_1929.php

this was not the only time Arabs tried to slaughter Jews for thier land. During the 1947-48 war for Independence, the Arabs conquered many Jewish communities by force and expelled Jews from these. This included the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem. In fact, the Arab armies, tried much more. They intended to conquer the whole land. Many Arab civilian facilitated this by heading the order of Arab armies to leave and make room for battles. Thus thousands of Arabs (mostly the landless immigrants or their children) left in the hopes of taking the homes and property of Jews killed by the Arab armies.

It seems to me that Jews are the ones taking back their wallets. The Arabs want to get back the property they stole. Otherwise, cute analogy.

23 posted on 02/26/2003 4:52:40 PM PST by rmlew
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...

If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me. 


5 posted on 02/26/2003 1:27 PM PST by SJackson 
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Yehuda signed up 2001-07-26.

This account will be suspended until 2003-03-05 16:24:57.


I don't buy this for one minute. This is a cover. Yehuda is in reality out organizing an "IMPEACH BUSH" movement after tonight's speech (end settlement activities).

Bush is toast.

24 posted on 02/26/2003 7:48:10 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: anotherview
The PC crowd will be thrown into conniption fits over the facts and truths cotained in this post. We should spare no effort in bringing it to their attention.
25 posted on 02/26/2003 8:06:00 PM PST by fella
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To: SJackson
If you insist on keeping pencils nine and ten, be my guest. Of course, some representatives from those "dysfunctional populations of those areas" will continue with their carnage.

But hang onto those pencils; they're getting to be really expensive.

26 posted on 02/27/2003 6:59:35 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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