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PILING ON THE AG Ashcroft opponents hail from right, left
Denver Post ^ | Thursday, February 27, 2003 | Diane Carman

Posted on 02/27/2003 5:27:37 AM PST by Liz

Dudley Brown didn't want to talk about it. It's a little too weird for him. "I'll let the national organization speak about this," he said. But, yes, he said, it's true. The Rocky Mountain Gun Owners and the ACLU are on the same team.

Let's pause for a moment to savor the image.

As executive director of RMGO, Brown is famous for bristling at the mere suggestion that his organization is chummy with the likes of the "liberal" National Rifle Association. So what could possibly compel the Gun Owners of America to collaborate with the ACLU?

Simple. A common enemy.

Attorney General John Ashcroft.

For a brief period in the mid- '90s, the two groups worked together to oppose anti-terrorism legislation in the wake of the Oklahoma City bombing.

But it was a different time. The Gun Owners fought former Attorney General Janet Reno and the Clinton administration on so many fronts. What was one more?

Now, as the powers of the original Patriot Act are being exploited - the FBI seizing library patrons' records and quizzing cable TV installers about anything "unusual" they see in customers' homes - this unlikely alliance is here to stay.

And as Ashcroft's office quietly circulates the sequel to the Patriot Act among Republicans in Congress, even weirder partnerships are forming with the ACLU.

The Southern Baptists and the American Humanist Association, for example.

No kidding.

In a country that can be counted on to polarize into predictable camps of right and left, the anti-Ashcroft movement is a rare unifying force.

In fact, it has produced some of the strangest political marriages since Mary Matalin crawled into bed next to James Carville.

Among those joining the ACLU coalition are the American Muslim Alliance, Human Rights Watch, Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and more than 100 other groups.

This week they helped pay for full-page ads in The New York Times and The Washington Times slamming "Patriot Act II."

Laura Murphy, director of the ACLU's Washington office, explained why.

The bill, formally known as the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003," would allow the government to:

Make secret arrests.

Strip citizenship from Americans who have supported organizations labeled "terrorist" groups, even if they had no knowledge of any alleged links to terrorism.

Provide immunity to federal agents who conduct illegal surveillance.

Expand home searches and wiretaps without a warrant.

And create a national DNA database on "suspected terrorists" (no definition of terrorist required).

"This country has been involved in many wars - in Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War - and we've never seen the government seize these kinds of powers before," said Murphy.

"It feels pre-internment. I mean, does anybody really think this government is beyond rounding up all the Iraqi nationals and locking them away someplace?"

The implications are so threatening to cherished rights of privacy, due process, freedom of speech and the foundations of democracy that it's no wonder groups of Americans across the political spectrum have united in opposition.

"We disagree on many things," Brown said of the Gun Owners and ACLU. But he is so opposed to "the government spying on Americans," he's willing to stand alongside the ACLU to fight it.

That says it all.

Diane Carman's column runs Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday.


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Have at it FReepers.
1 posted on 02/27/2003 5:27:37 AM PST by Liz
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To: Mudboy Slim
pour vous.......
2 posted on 02/27/2003 5:28:30 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
How quickly we forget Bill Clinton's EO's giving FEMA about the same powers as the Patriot Act, only the words are now clear in their meaning, not hidden language as in Clinton's EO's which also included then AG Janet Reno.
3 posted on 02/27/2003 5:35:15 AM PST by yoe
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To: yoe
How quickly we forget Bill Clinton's EO's giving FEMA about the same powers as the Patriot Act, only the words are now clear in their meaning, not hidden language as in Clinton's EO's which also included then AG Janet Reno.

Yeh, and we weren't even threatened back then. Maybe the American Muslim Alliance, Human Rights Watch, Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and more than 100 other groups didn't think it was "hip" to complain about it then. Now we have a real pro-American Republican in power. That's diff, don't ya know.

4 posted on 02/27/2003 5:43:51 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Stop Taxpayer Supported Socialist Indoctrination. Vote for Freedom - Vote School Choice.)
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To: yoe
Thank God you didn't forget. Thanks for the post.
5 posted on 02/27/2003 5:45:39 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
opponents hail from right, but overwhelmingly from the left

Not that it matters. They don't like the American flag, either. They don't even like themselves!

6 posted on 02/27/2003 5:48:23 AM PST by concerned about politics ( Stop Taxpayer Supported Socialist Indoctrination. Vote for Freedom - Vote School Choice.)
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To: concerned about politics
Well, maybe not all the organizations complained about FEMA, but many of them screamed bloody murder. I remember, for example, Schlafly and an NRA spokesman raising hell on the now defunct, but best ever talk radio program, Carl Wiglesworth WOAI program in San Antonio. As much as you might want to, you can't make this a case of selective objection or johnny-come-lately.
7 posted on 02/27/2003 5:54:26 AM PST by jammer
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To: Liz
"It feels pre-internment. I mean, does anybody really think this government is beyond rounding up all the Iraqi nationals and locking them away someplace?"

Yes....unless, of course, all the Iraqi nationals violate U.S. law. And that's not likely. After all, we didn't lock up all Afghani nations.....

8 posted on 02/27/2003 6:12:42 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: concerned about politics
"Now we have a real pro-American Republican in power."

Pro-American? Are those citizens of countries in North, South or Central America that you're referring to? ;^)

With all due respect, what this country needs is a conservative Republican that's real pro-taxpaying-citizens of the United States of America.

Bush is not.

Bush is hanging the taxpaying citizens of the USA out to dry.

Disgruntled, taxpaying, U.S. citizens might just be the next group designated as potential terrorists by the Bush Justice Dept. and the IRS.

Keep your powder dry. Defend the 2nd Amendment. ;^)

9 posted on 02/27/2003 6:27:04 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: anniegetyourgun
nations = nationals
10 posted on 02/27/2003 6:41:27 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: 4Freedom
Bush is hanging the taxpaying citizens of the USA out to dry.

Sorry. I'm not that paranoid. Thanks anyway. Maybe you can try someone else?

11 posted on 02/27/2003 6:51:29 AM PST by concerned about politics (Clintons legacy - passing both the buck and the doe. Impeach again - just for fun.)
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To: Liz
Now, as the powers of the original Patriot Act are being exploited -

Yah got me here............Sounds to me like the real problem is in between the ears!

12 posted on 02/27/2003 6:52:16 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: concerned about politics
"Sorry. I'm not that paranoid."

The question is are you that gullible? ;^)

13 posted on 02/27/2003 7:04:25 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Liz
A small number of people share an opinion which the left happens to agree with, and it becomes a 'movement'. Perhaps they should put their 'movements' in the toilet where they belong.
14 posted on 02/27/2003 7:12:37 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: 4Freedom
The question is are you that gullible? ;^)

Not at all. I brushed off your post, didn't I?

15 posted on 02/27/2003 7:13:31 AM PST by concerned about politics (Saddam needs a check up from the neck up.)
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To: 4Freedom
"Bush is hanging the taxpaying citizens of the USA out to dry."

Can you be a little more specific about what you mean by this? What specifically is concerning you?

16 posted on 02/27/2003 7:18:32 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: MEGoody
"Can you be a little more specific...?"

Can you name an instance where Bush has demonstrated fiscal conservatism? That would be the shorter list, if you could even make such a list. ;^)

17 posted on 02/27/2003 7:43:28 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Liz
So what could possibly compel the Gun Owners of America to collaborate with the ACLU?

Simple. A common enemy.

Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Interesting...MUD
18 posted on 02/27/2003 11:21:54 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (The A.N.S.W.E.R., my FRiends..."Incinerate Hussein!!")
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To: Liz
I'm still waiting to hear what Ashcroft has DONE that makes people think he is the boogeyman.
19 posted on 02/27/2003 11:29:03 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: Mudboy Slim
Welcome to the American Gestapo

John Ashcroft's Amerika

The attorney general is a zealot and zealots are always dangerous – even if they are supposed to play on your side of the fence.

Since 9-11, Ashcroft has expanded the ability of the U.S. Department of Justice to spy on ordinary Americans, authorizing more wiretaps and surveillance than any attorney general in modern times.

He has authorized the creation of massive databases to track American gun owners, American travel and the day-to-day financial transactions of all Americans. The new databases will allow Uncle Sam to know how much money you have in the bank, how you spend it, where you go on any given day of the week, what guns you own, what cars you drive and when and where you buy gas, groceries or condoms.

“This brings back the old days of Hoover and his personal hit lists,” says retired FBI agent Alan Matthews. “Most of us had hoped those days were long gone.”

Terrorism succeeds when the victims of terrorists change their way of life, when fear dictates policy and hatred replaces reason. Terrorism wins when freedom becomes secondary to the cause.

Welcome to John Ashcroft’s America. It ain’t the America envisioned by the founding fathers in the past but, sadly, it is the America of the future

20 posted on 02/27/2003 11:35:39 AM PST by KDD
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