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***The Fog Of War***
Stardate: 0302.27

Posted on 02/27/2003 8:52:24 AM PST by The Wizard

Where do I begin without "sinking any ships"

let me say that by this time next week much that seems confused will be clear, and much that seemed to be one way will be seen another.

There is so much I want to share with you about some allies and others, but to do so would be counter productive to our current campaign.

I just wanted to be able to call this up next week and note that I wanted to tell you things that I could not, but the actions of some may be clearer by then, and I want this date on the post for varification.

You will be pleased and proud with many you are unhappy with now, and may better understand the Fog Of War.

For those of you who have Stormin' Norman's presentation to the press after the Gulf War, I would suggest watching it........


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1 posted on 02/27/2003 8:52:24 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: The Wizard
a tease and a hook ?????
2 posted on 02/27/2003 9:05:48 AM PST by Countyline
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To: The Wizard
Stardate: 0302.27

One Week.
3 posted on 02/27/2003 9:08:44 AM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: The Wizard
Your post is most intriguing. If it would not compromise security I would be very interested in knowing where your insights come from.
4 posted on 02/27/2003 9:08:56 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: The Wizard
Your post is most intriguing. If it would not compromise security I would be very interested in knowing where your insights come from.
5 posted on 02/27/2003 9:11:13 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: The Wizard
What's the purpose of this vanity? It says absolutely nothing.
6 posted on 02/27/2003 9:12:39 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: The Wizard
Uhhh, okay, I think.
7 posted on 02/27/2003 9:12:57 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: The Wizard
This reminds me of a Quiddam post during the time leading up to the impeachment fiasco! you'r not stationed deep in the Hurtgen Forest are you?
8 posted on 02/27/2003 9:13:07 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: The Wizard
This reminds me of a Quiddam post during the time leading up to the impeachment fiasco! you're not stationed deep in the Hurtgen Forest are you?
9 posted on 02/27/2003 9:13:21 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan
Anyone know the jist of Schwarzkopf's presentation?
10 posted on 02/27/2003 9:25:20 AM PST by reegs
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To: The Wizard
Saturday!
11 posted on 02/27/2003 9:30:30 AM PST by Core_Conservative (Prayer for those who Serve our Country - I also pray for our President for the Wisdom of Solomon)
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To: All
Dear Friends

I, too am experiencing the horrible slow down here so I have not been able to spend the time responding to you

Turkey and the Russians are a part of the scenario

The clue is in Stormin' Norman's presentation to the press, and is there for those who find it. I can't be any more specific.

The "Fog" Of War

Back tonight, if I can update I will, but certainly I will Post next week on this headline and explain all, no matter what transpires

Go, GWB, Go

When you have a man in the White House who believes in the Lord, that's all you need

12 posted on 02/27/2003 9:40:14 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: All
Dear Friends

I, too am experiencing the horrible slow down here so I have not been able to spend the time responding to you

Turkey and the Russians are a part of the scenario

The clue is in Stormin' Norman's presentation to the press, and is there for those who find it. I can't be any more specific.

The "Fog" Of War

Back tonight, if I can update I will, but certainly I will Post next week on this headline and explain all, no matter what transpires

Go, GWB, Go

When you have a man in the White House who believes in the Lord, that's all you need

13 posted on 02/27/2003 9:40:55 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: pgkdan
Yes, clone of Quiddam came to my mind as well.

Let me just add to the Wizard's prognostication:

Things will happen you didn't expect, and things you expected won't happen.

There, now I'm on record.
14 posted on 02/27/2003 9:41:21 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: All
Dear Friends

I, too am experiencing the horrible slow down here so I have not been able to spend the time responding to you

Turkey and the Russians are a part of the scenario

The clue is in Stormin' Norman's presentation to the press, and is there for those who find it. I can't be any more specific.

The "Fog" Of War

Back tonight, if I can update I will, but certainly I will Post next week on this headline and explain all, no matter what transpires

Go, GWB, Go

When you have a man in the White House who believes in the Lord, that's all you need

15 posted on 02/27/2003 9:42:07 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: Core_Conservative
You will be pleased and proud with many you are unhappy with now

Hmm... Dan Rather is really a gov't agent who planted a bomb in Saddam's palace???

16 posted on 02/27/2003 9:44:52 AM PST by reegs
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To: D-fendr
My deep gut feeling has been that it will be swift and the results stunning.
17 posted on 02/27/2003 9:56:14 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: The Wizard
As far as Saddam Hussein being a great military strategist, he is neither a strategist, nor is he schooled in the operational art, nor is he a tactician, nor is he a general, nor is he a soldier. Other than that he's a great military man-I want you to know that. General H. Norman Schwarzkoph 1991

I haven't been able to find the whole thing. Does anyone have a link?

18 posted on 02/27/2003 10:01:47 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: pgkdan
My thought exactly. I can remember wondering if quidam really knew anything or not (and secretly hoping that he did.)

However I am not sure where the "Wiz" would get such inside info - the link on his homepage goes to a website where it states that he is --- ta da -----

"The only real live Wizard in America. For a lifetime I have lived the life and occupation of a Wizard, paid the dues, did the time, earned the title........."

It seems that this wizard is stationed deep in the Fanghorn forest.


19 posted on 02/27/2003 10:01:53 AM PST by ChipShot
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To: reegs
Here's a link to an overview of the press briefing. Me thinks we'll feint with the left and knock them out with a right hook they never saw comin'!
20 posted on 02/27/2003 10:06:22 AM PST by reegs
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To: The Wizard
If I can read between the lines of the Wizards post.

SH was all ready to defend against a main thrust through Kuwait and an amphibious assault near Basra...also remember the little skirmish at Khafgi which made it look like taking Kuwait City would be street fighting...like people are worried about now...

Instead, Schwartzkopf showed us this major secret Schlieffen plan type of swing hugely west in Iraq before we even went over the berms in Kuwait...

this forced the Iraqis to flee Kuwait like a 60's looter in Watts....which of course led to the major destruction of Hussein's R Guard on the "Highway of death".

so...to sum....

I would suggest that the Russkies are letting us use bases...and so are other quiet areas (Jordan?). We are feignting in Kuwait? Turkey?...and coming in other ways.

I certainly don't see large armored columns advancing on Baghdad...

I liked the cryptic little note today that there were large Iraqi units heading south towards Baghdad with undertermined purpose...

...we have no idea whether these troops are loyal or not...or maybe WE do and SADDDAM DOES NOT!

;)

Take it for granted that the psyops people will deserve a major pat on the back for faking out SH on this one...

Maybe we should rememer Patton and the phony army before D-Day.
21 posted on 02/27/2003 10:19:50 AM PST by Keith
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To: Keith
Instead, Schwartzkopf showed us this major secret Schlieffen plan type of swing hugely west in Iraq before we even went over the berms in Kuwait...

But we didn't; the Marines were over the berms in Kuwait befor the main part of the "Left Hook" even moved at all.

Actually what screwed up things is the forces in Kuwait went through the Iraqis like a hot knife through butter, the RG never counterattacked the attack in Kuwait like we expected; thus they weren't trapped and totally annihilated by the left hook.

22 posted on 02/27/2003 10:55:09 AM PST by John H K
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To: reegs
Anyone know the jist of Schwarzkopf's presentation?

Yeah, "we just kicked the sh*^ out of them." :) That and "Saddam is less than worthless as a military commander".

23 posted on 02/27/2003 11:31:08 AM PST by El Gato
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To: ChipShot
I remember those posts..."all will be clear by Tuesday"...what is isn't and what isn't is, the screw turns next week"...yadda yadda yadda. I used to hope he was a really deep insider too. Seems silly now, but it was fun then.
24 posted on 02/27/2003 6:14:02 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: The Wizard

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25 posted on 02/27/2003 6:16:44 PM PST by Bob J (Join the FR Network! Educate, Motivate, Activate!)
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To: The Wizard
Well, I'll bump this just so I can see what it says next week.
26 posted on 02/27/2003 6:22:01 PM PST by walden
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To: The Wizard; Countyline; Maelstrom; Trust but Verify; reegs; Core_Conservative; tbpiper; Keith; ...
Here is a link to an abrigded RealVideo version of the Schwarzkopf briefing:

http://www.c-span.org/iraq/history.asp

Scroll down to the fifth link (PRESIDENT GEORGE H.W. BUSH ON BEGINNING OF GULF WAR); the briefing follows Bush's message.

I've been toying with some what-ifs since the back and forth with Turkey:

What if the 4th Inf Div is already unloaded and in position in northern Iraq?
What if coalition infantry and armored units from Europe have already been repositioned through Turkey to northern Iraq?
What if there are actually more coalition forces in northern Iraq than in Kuwait?
What if all of the diplomatic wrangling is all a deception?
What if the French and Germans were asked to play the role of the obstinate anti-war crusaders?
What if Hans Blix was asked to be wishy-washy in his reports?
What if the security council is really united and determined to disarm Saddam?
What if instead of Saddam playing the United Nations, the United Nations is playing Saddam?

All of the major military operations we have undertaken in the past -- including Desert Storm -- have involved elements of deception. This is how we minimize casualties.

What if all of this "diplomacy" has been nothing more than the Mother of All Deceptions?

It's delicious to contemplate. If true, we could strike at an unexpected time from an unexpected direction with an overwhelming force and take out Saddam's WMDs before he even knows we're there.
27 posted on 02/27/2003 7:24:24 PM PST by EarlyBird
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To: The Wizard
From PoliticsNH.com:

Rove cancels trip to NH... Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's chief political advisor, was scheduled to speak at the Hillsborough and Merrimack County Lincoln Day Dinner on March 12th. PoliticsNH.com has learned Rove has told the county committees he will be unable to attend.

28 posted on 02/27/2003 7:26:58 PM PST by mhking (Baghdad Weather thru Wed 3/5: Ptly Cloudy Highs 60's-70's / Lows 30's-40's)
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To: The Wizard
The clue is in Stormin' Norman's presentation to the press, and is there for those who find it. I can't be any more specific.

Well my re-collection of that briefing was that the Iraqis were duped into believing a huge amphibious landing was to occur from the Persian Gulf into then Iraqi-occupied Kuwait. Instead, the ground attack came from the south (Saudi Arabia) and they were overwhelmed.

Well it appears we have possibly a similar deception operation going on now. This U.S. "spat" with Turkey is, I believe, engineered to throw the Iraqis off guard. In fact, Iraqi troops have already started moving south, perhaps convinced that no imminent attack will come from the Turkish border anytime soon.

Well, that's my semi-educated guess.

29 posted on 02/27/2003 7:34:39 PM PST by SamAdams76 (California wine tastes better - boycott French wine!)
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To: EarlyBird
What if the French and Germans were asked to play the role of the obstinate anti-war crusaders?

I like the way you think, but I take exception to one detail. I could see the French playing this role because Chiraq is from the "right wing" party and the French seem to have an affinity for these sort of parlor charades of intrigue.

On the other hand, The Germans can't lie convincingly (except to other Germans I suppose), Schroeder and clan are left wingnuts, and their shame would be considered a positive byproduct of this whole affair.

Seeing the French leave Schroeder hanging alone would be sweet revenge.

30 posted on 02/27/2003 7:49:58 PM PST by XEHRpa
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To: EarlyBird
I like your thinking...only thing that worries me is the southern troop movement by the Iraqis...WMD dispersion retreat?

31 posted on 02/27/2003 8:52:55 PM PST by Keith
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To: EarlyBird
It's all a very lovely thought, isn't it? Let's hope you're right. And BTW, thanks for your effort.
32 posted on 02/28/2003 4:35:12 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: Trust but Verify
It is my profound hope that next weekend finds this behind us.
33 posted on 02/28/2003 4:38:55 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: Trust but Verify

There's always the possibility that the Russians and the French will abstain, then throw in two airborne units to get their spots at the Peace Conference.

Suppose the Russians go to abstention, as do the French. The French throw in the 2me Regiment Entrange Parachutiste of the French Foreign Legion while the Russians throw in a Guards Airborne unit, such as the Iron Hammer Division or the Preobrazhensky Guards.

There are a couple of ways to go in: through the North and South, as we suppose, and through Jordan and across the Iranian frontier.

It is possible that we've made an arrangement with the Iranians for us to stage a unit out of their country.

Anyhoo, the geography dictates an approach to Baghdad from some or all of those directions. But there's something else: Saddam thinks in linear terms. He expects a march on Baghdad. He doesn't expect us to show up in Baghdad on D-Day.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

34 posted on 02/28/2003 4:49:48 AM PST by section9 (The girl in the picture is Major Motoko Kusanagi from "Ghost In the Shell". Any questions?)
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To: section9
I saw Bob McGinnis (sp?) of greta's show last night and he said there are countries, in cluding Jordan who are saying one thing publicly and in private doing another. Seemed to me to say any or all of the scenarios you posted are possible.

One thing we do know, this Administration is not going to talk about their real plans and put our soldiers and our allies in jeopardy.

35 posted on 02/28/2003 5:17:51 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: Trust but Verify

My thoughts exactly. It's in everyone's interest to see Saddam go, no matter what is said publicly. They're just helping us do the heavy lifting.

Methinks there is a massive headfake going on here.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

36 posted on 02/28/2003 5:39:10 AM PST by section9 (The girl in the picture is Major Motoko Kusanagi from "Ghost In the Shell". Any questions?)
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To: section9; Trust but Verify; The Wizard
It seems that part of the deception plan is to keep everyone off balance. Today's threat by Russia to use the veto is the latest example. This after it was announced yesterday that Bush and Putin had come to an unspecified agreement.

If this is a massive headfake, the thing to watch is the status of the inspectors. If Blix is in on this, there must be a plan to get them safely out. I hope we see some sign of their removal today, so we can get this over with.
37 posted on 02/28/2003 5:51:18 AM PST by EarlyBird
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To: EarlyBird
I am with you.......
38 posted on 02/28/2003 5:54:21 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: The Wizard
I will say myself that I think this whole thing with Turkey and a second front is a feint and misdirection.
39 posted on 02/28/2003 5:55:37 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: The Wizard; section9
Hey Chris and Wiz,

We all signed up on FR the same month, almost 5 years ago! Great minds think alike...
40 posted on 02/28/2003 6:05:12 AM PST by EarlyBird
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To: reegs
I recall it as a summarization of a major ass stomping which showed that little which the press was predicting before the action actually came to pass, and much of the conventional wisdom about how one had to attack an army like the one Iraq fielded was stood on its head.

Am I close?

41 posted on 02/28/2003 6:08:53 AM PST by katana
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To: EarlyBird

Neither Blix nor anyone from the UN can even be remotely close to this.

The danger of a leak to the Iraqis is too great. Blix has no idea what is going on, nor does Annan. Giving Blix any information would be akin to inviting Saddam to the War Room to have a look-see into the Plan.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

42 posted on 02/28/2003 6:17:50 AM PST by section9 (The girl in the picture is Major Motoko Kusanagi from "Ghost In the Shell". Any questions?)
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To: katana
That's about right. It also showed how the press can be used for disinformation, as when the practice amphibious landings were broadcast and rebroadcast on the 24-hour news cycles before the start of the ground phase. Schwarzkopf explicitly refered to this over-coverage and slyly thanked the press for their help in keeping Saddam's attention away from the real action.

See post #27 above for a link to the briefing video.
43 posted on 02/28/2003 6:20:14 AM PST by EarlyBird
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To: All
When this is wrapped up, reading 'the other site' is going to be such a pleasure!

It's fun to watch lefties as their assumptions wither and their worldview implodes.

44 posted on 02/28/2003 6:28:23 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: The Wizard
I GOT IT! Stormin' Norman's the MOLE!

Wait a minute...wrong show. WHat the hell is this about?

45 posted on 02/28/2003 6:44:57 AM PST by bigjoesaddle
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To: EarlyBird
It's been 5 years????

It's been great having FreeRepublic.com

46 posted on 02/28/2003 6:47:10 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: section9
That's the conventional thinking since in the past the UN inspectors have been riddled with Iraqi agents. But then, we knew that would be the case, didn't we? Good planning would allow us to use that foreknowledge against the Iraqis. We'll have to see.

Either way, some plan must be in place to get the inspectors out. We've already warned the media and even the human shields to get out, we can't jump off without providing for the inspectors. This may end up being the most interesting part of the deception.
47 posted on 02/28/2003 6:53:31 AM PST by EarlyBird
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To: Keith
>>only thing that worries me is the southern troop movement by the Iraqis<<

They're going for the fake...

48 posted on 02/28/2003 6:54:28 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: EarlyBird
Ooooh, I like the way you think!
49 posted on 02/28/2003 6:57:47 AM PST by shezza (God bless and protect our troops)
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To: The Wizard
You got that right. Short of having access to classified info, FreeRepublic is simply the best source for intelligence in the free world.
50 posted on 02/28/2003 6:59:19 AM PST by EarlyBird
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