It Is Time To Ban All Human Cloning

FreeRepublic ^ | 2/27/2003 | MHGinTN

[MHGinTN]

No doubt the comment that 'reasonable people can disagree' will arise if extended debate over this essay occurs. Please note that such a comment is akin to the democrat's definition of bi-partisan, 'only if you agree with the democrats can you be bi-partisan' for no other perspective will be tolerated. Only if lies are allowed to be considered as reasonable can one accept that embryonic human life is not a foundational age, not part of the life continuum of an individual human being. 'Reasonable people can disagree on democrat terms' only if truth can be rejected and that rejection accepted as reasonable.

[MHGinTN]

(((PING))))))

[MHGinTN]

Folks, this is getting 'series.'

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!

[PaxMacian]

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Psalm 139:13
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 :
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 :
My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 :
Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Galatians 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,…

Isaiah 49:1 :
Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.

Matthew 18:5
And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

Deuteronomy 30:19
"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and
death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live."

[Ms. AntiFeminazi]

BTTT! and note to self to bookmark/profile this one once FR gets back up.

I ask you to protect infants at the very hour of their birth and end the practice of partial-birth abortion. And because no human life should be started or ended as the object of an experiment, I ask you to set a high standard for humanity, and pass a law against all human cloning.
President George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, January 28, 2003.

[RightWhale]

As to human cloning. This should not be done at all even assuming it is a perfect technology. There will be ethical, moral, and legal problems, at least.

[goldstategop]

I agree human cloning should be banned. On the other hand, I think organ cloning is acceptable - think of how our lives could be saved if an organ in our body was failing and we needed a transplant. No more risk of rejection or being put on a waiting list only to die cause a matching donor wasn't available. There's a difference between making carbon copies of us as human beings and making carbon copies of our body parts for the purpose of saving our lives should the need arise for it. We can and should establish conditions under which organ cloning can be facilitated without opening the door to human cloning in the future.

[cpforlife.org]

MHGinTN,

Great job! If only THEY could be honest and see this for what it truly is.

[I Am Not A Mod]

Free Republic Highlights, 2/27/03

[MHGinTN]

You assert that 'organ cloning' is acceptable. Can science take stem cells from your body and grow a replacement organ for your body without conceiving an individual clone of you from whom (the clone) they would take the cells to grow the organ? Either you have misunderstood the term 'clone' or you are being purposely deceptive. The term clone is defined as conceiving a unique close copy of the INDIVIDUAL from whom the nuclear material is taken. Be honest, are you asserting that somatic nuclear transfer is okay as long as the tissues/organs of the individual so conceived are taken from that embryonic individual human life not allowing that individual human clone to age to the point of birth? Are you relying on obfuscation to achieve tacit acceptance of conceiving new individual humans from whom you feel it is okay to harvest organs and tissues as long as the individual life is not allowed to be life supported to birth?

You opened your yapper to defend this cannibalism, now be honest. If you think taking cells from your body and growing a replacement organ for you, without cloning a reproduction copy of you, is cloning organs, you are sadly uninformed. Such an action is not cloning because by definition cloning is reproduction of you, creating an identical twin, for killing and harvesting or to be life supported to birth. You either need to get your science facts straight or be honest with readers.

[Ms. AntiFeminazi]

Hey! Way to go!

See post 10!

[Ms. AntiFeminazi]

Registered, read this article, then see reply 11. When you have time, I'd like to finish our discussion on this.

[goldstategop]

I'm NOT defending the cloning of human beings. Go back and read my post. I am in favor of allowing the cloning of spare parts from our own bodies to save our lives if the need should arise. Too many people today are on waiting lists only to die cause they can't get a donor match and the lucky few who do get a replacement body organ have to live on anti-rejection drugs for the rest of their lives. I'm sure we'd able to discover how to grow a stem cell into a specialized organ without creating a whole new human being in the process. The fact cloning has a dark side we don't want or need is no reason to deprive ourselves of a legitimate benefit that could save people alive today. And since life is a precious gift from God I think that if there was even a remote chance cloning spare parts from us was a possibility that could save our lives at some point in the future, it definitely ought to be pursued. All of which should have nothing to do with bringing about the cloning of human beings themselves.

[jwalsh07]

Multipotent adult progenitor cells (MAPCs) have shown some promise in producing replacement tissue and organs absent therapeuitc cloning. It would seem to be theoretically possible.

John

[MHGinTN]

ALL cloning is reproductive. ALL cloning starts with nuclear transfer of the chromosomal mass from a cell donate, into the denucleated ovum. That is reproductive by definition, the donor of the genetic material is duplicated at the embryonic age, then the individual embryonic human being is killed to harvest stem cells.

If, on the other hand, you are trying to convey the idea that it is okay to take your stem cells and grow a replacement organ, without going through the nuclear transfer of your chromosomal data into a denucleated ovum, then you are not talking about cloning. Again, cloning is the nuclear transfer of your genetic data into a denucleated ovum, thus conceiving a close copy of you at your age of embryo. If you aren't stealth defending this creation then killing for harvest, don't use the term 'cloning' with the term organ. If you are defending this conceiving of duplicates (embryonic individual humans) from whom to harvest organs and tissues, then be honest.

[goldstategop]

I'm trying to convey the latter idea. Sorry for my clumsy terminology but there doesn't seem to be a suitable shorthand for making replacement organs that comes close. Again no one I know of is defending the exact cloning of human beings. Most people including you would like to have a copy of your vital organs made so they can be transplanted into you if one of the ones you have should fail. If that technology where available today, a dear friend of mine who recently passed away might be alive today. We have the obligation and the duty to preserve and extend our lives with every means including untried medical therapies that don't yet exist.

[MHGinTN]

I agree with growing replacement organs for our maladies. I don't like the way the word cloning has been used in a stealth mode. The democrats trying to get protection for medical cloning are despicable. They are trying to achieve tacit acceptance of the cloning of embryos under the sneaky lie that conceiving embryos then harvesting those individual lives for the stem cells is not 'reproductive cloning'. ALL CLONING IS REPRODUCTIVE. Taking a cell from your body and inserting the nuclear material from your cell into a denucleated ovum creates/conceives a close duplicate of you at your age of embryo. The evil of the stealthy effort lies in trying to sneak past the public the truth that an individual human being is conceived in ALL cloning, else it wouldn't be cloning. If organs can be grown without nuclear transefer and conceiving embryos, I'm all for it. Sadly, that is not what these lairs have been trying to get tacit support for. They have been trying to skirt the truth that cloning conceives individual human embryonic beings from whom the stem cells are to be extracted, killing the embryos for thier body parts.

[185JHP]

Thanks

[MHGinTN]

I agree with growing replacement organs for our maladies. I don't like the way the word cloning has been used in a stealth mode. The democrats trying to get protection for medical cloning are despicable. They are trying to achieve tacit acceptance of the cloning of embryos under the sneaky lie that conceiving embryos then harvesting those individual lives for the stem cells is not 'reproductive cloning'. ALL CLONING IS REPRODUCTIVE. Taking a cell from your body and inserting the nuclear material from your cell into a denucleated ovum creates/conceives a close duplicate of you at your age of embryo. The evil of the stealthy effort lies in trying to sneak past the public the truth that an individual human being is conceived in ALL cloning, else it wouldn't be cloning. If organs can be grown without nuclear transefer and conceiving embryos, I'm all for it. Sadly, that is not what these liars have been trying to get tacit support for. They have been trying to skirt the truth that cloning conceives individual human embryonic beings from whom the stem cells are to be extracted, killing the embryos for their body parts. That is cannibalism and they want this nation to accept it because of the possible medical treatments the scientists might achieve through the cannibalism.