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Texans are from Mars, Parisians are from Venus
The Daily Telegraph ^ | February 28, 2003 | Daniel Johnson

Posted on 02/27/2003 4:16:52 PM PST by MadIvan

Like a vast silver eagle, the USAF military transport plane swooped over the city of Frankfurt, past the fairytale towers of the banks glittering in the sun, bound for the Gulf. My German companion muttered imprecations under her breath. "We are afraid of them now," she said. She did not mean al-Qa'eda, let alone Saddam Hussein. She meant the Americans. "Bush and Rumsfeld mention us in the same breath as Libya and Cuba. Is this how it begins?"

The Americans have been based at Frankfurt for nearly 60 years. But for how much longer? Protectors and protected have fallen out. Gerhard Schröder is the first German chancellor since Hitler not to be on speaking terms with the American president. They both speak English, but they do not speak the same language.

On Wednesday, George W. Bush reminded Europeans, and Germans in particular, of America's democratic mission: "After defeating enemies, we did not leave behind occupying armies. We left constitutions and parliaments." But the Germans hear only the voice of the zealot. Joschka Fischer told his diplomats after visiting Washington that the Bush Administration was dominated by ideologues. "I have a nose for these people," declared the foreign minister who, in a youthful rebel phase, took to beating up a policeman.

The Americans have always been demonised by some Europeans; what is new is that political elites no longer feel any obligation to defend them. Tony Blair and his anti-war critics, inside and outside the Commons, do not merely disagree: they do not argue on the same plane. It is not that Blair and Bush have failed to "make the case", rather that, instead of listening to their advocacy, the jury of European public opinion prefers to place them in the dock.

How has it come to this? Robert Kagan, an American based in Brussels, has come up with the most persuasive answer so far. "It is time to stop pretending that Europeans and Americans share a common view of the world, or even that they occupy the same world," as he puts it in the arresting first sentence of his new book, Paradise and Power, out next week.

Kagan is the first to admit openly that the marriage may be on the rocks, which is why he has deservedly shot from the obscurity of a think tank to become the most talked about intellectual on either side of the Atlantic.

What does Kagan mean by claiming that Americans and Europeans do not occupy the same world? The different worlds he has in mind are intellectual ones. The Europeans, he argues, believe they inhabit a "post-historical paradise" ruled by international law, from which power politics is banished and the Kantian vision of "perpetual peace" is realised.

"Meanwhile," he continues, "the United States remains mired in history, exercising power in an anarchic Hobbesian world." The Kagan thesis has become such a talking point because it offers an explanatory framework for the unprecedented bitterness of the transatlantic row over Iraq. Kagan insists that this is no passing dispute, of the kind that Western leaders have often had before, but a yawning "strategic chasm", reflecting irreconcilable differences in psychology and power. To speak of "the West", as we did throughout the Cold War, no longer makes sense of a world in which the Allies cannot agree about what the alliance is for.

Why has this divergence of world views occurred? Kagan's original article was entitled "Power and Weakness", and a central part of the argument is that the European aversion to power, especially as manifested in American policy, is a direct consequence of military weakness. As the disparity between European and American forces has grown since the end of the Cold War, so the attitudes of each side to external threats have parted company. The ideological and material differences between Europe and the US reinforce one another, and "the divisive trends they together produce may be impossible to reverse."

Kagan sums up his analysis in an even more startling phrase: "Americans are from Mars and Europeans are from Venus." The implication that Americans are martial and virile, while Europeans are effeminate, has already earned its author a rebuke from Timothy Garton Ash, who warns in Prospect magazine: "The real danger now is that vulgar Kaganism will become popular on both sides of the Atlantic because people either believe Kagan's 'dual caricature' or - and I think this is happening - are looking for ways to emphasise the gulf."

It is rather hard to accuse Kagan of being complicit in his own vulgarisation, when he has gone to great pains in his book to avoid anti-European bias. The book itself is anything but vulgar. In only a hundred pages, Kagan ranges over history and strategy, philosophy and economics. If Kagan has been misunderstood, it is probably because he has not been vulgar enough.

Kagan is perfectly aware that his Texan Martians and French Venusians are caricatures. But caricatures may well embody an essential truth. Europeans do often see Bush as a cowboy, for example, and Kagan thinks they are not entirely wrong: "The United States does act as an international sheriff, self-appointed but widely welcomed nevertheless," he writes. "Europe, by this Wild West analogy, is more like the saloon keeper. Outlaws shoot sheriffs, not saloon keepers. In fact, from the saloon keeper's point of view, the sheriff trying to impose order by force can sometimes be more threatening than the outlaws."

But Kagan's prognosis is less gloomy than his diagnosis. He does not believe that the US will withdraw from its global responsibilities; if its leaders were tempted to do so, September 11 forcibly reminded them that, abroad, Hobbesian anarchy predominates. While he does not expect the gap between European and American military power to do anything but widen, he believes that the two world views need not necessarily come into conflict: "There need be no 'clash of civilisations' within what used to be called 'the West'."

The task is, rather, to "readjust to the reality of American hegemony". This may be harder for Europeans than for Americans. But the European "civilising mission" to extend the frontiers of their earthly paradise to embrace all humanity cannot be accomplished without allowing America to pursue what has become its manifest destiny: to subdue the enemies of civilisation.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; chirac; france; germany; iraq; kagan; saddam; texas; usa
There are several things I don't like about this article. First, is the reliance on Kagan - who is correct about the Continental reliance on treaties and diplomacy rather than military power, but what Kagan fails to say is that the Continental approach is a failure and bound to lead to disaster each and every time it is tried.

What Kagan and this article also fails to say is that it is morally wrong to expect that the Americans should just "pick up the tab" for defence. I am proud that my country is willing to pay the "blood price", because it means we are making a statement as a people that there are things worth fighting for. There is absolutely no excuse for other European nations not doing the same thing; we are free, our duty to freedom is to show the necessary rigour and courage to defend it.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/27/2003 4:16:53 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: dixiechick2000; UofORepublican; kayak; LET LOOSE THE DOGS OF WAR; keats5; Don'tMessWithTexas; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 02/27/2003 4:17:51 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Another nice post, Ivan.
3 posted on 02/27/2003 4:23:38 PM PST by expatpat
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To: MadIvan
The Europeans put their faith in paper. Americans back their paper with force. How disgusting that modern Germans, are so willing to put the past behind them and worry about the United States. Germany is responsible for tens of millions of deaths in the last century. Germany could not repay the United States in 1000 years for allowing them back among the civilized world. By rights Germany should have been ostracized and contained like Iraq after WW2. They are truly contemptable people.
4 posted on 02/27/2003 4:28:49 PM PST by ffusco ( "Gallia delenda est!")
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To: ffusco
How about "Gallia est omnis dividenda in partes tres?"

Split them into three parts (the Aquitani, the Belgae, and the Celts) so they are more the same size as the smaller European countries they are trying to bully. While we're at it, we should split Germany into its constituent elements as they were before Bismark set to work. Rhineland, Bavaria, und so weiter.
5 posted on 02/27/2003 5:05:09 PM PST by Cicero
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To: MadIvan
Parisians aren't from Venus...they're from Uranus!
6 posted on 02/27/2003 5:41:48 PM PST by mass55th
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To: MadIvan
Arghhhhh - don't use the word "divorce" or they'll want half!!!
7 posted on 02/27/2003 5:56:05 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude
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To: Cicero
Kinda busy crossing the Rubicon right now! Sh*t, this water is cold. Lets do lunch, Have your centurion call my centurion, Damn Gothic hordes! Fuhgettabowdit.
8 posted on 02/27/2003 6:00:03 PM PST by ffusco ( "Gallia delenda est!")
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To: MadIvan
Here is the problem with the European Worldview in one sentence:

They believe that complicated and persuasive language in a treaty is binding to willfully illiterate barbarians.

Rome had its Vandals, Visi-goths, and Celts; Modern Europe has it's Mugabe's, Hussein's, and Kim's.

9 posted on 02/27/2003 6:07:54 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: MadIvan
One thing Kagan also forgets to mention... His 'war on paper' does not sit easy on the shoulders of the people within the EU. The European Union puts unnecessary dictats and sanctions on member states that are contrary to common practice within those individual countries..(Ireland being one). Who leads this 'war on paper'? France and Germany. The two countries who can't abide by the laws that are making other member states merely 'clinics' on the periphery of THEIR Europe.

Idealist Kangan can prophesize all he likes. But there WILL be a revolt WITHIN the EU eventually.

You heard it here first!

10 posted on 02/27/2003 6:15:49 PM PST by Happygal
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To: MadIvan
An interesting piece. One factor I don't think has gotten enough attention is that Europe has basically become pagan and anti-religious, and the fact that Bush is seen as a born-again Christian is a HUGE factor in the formation of European attitudes towards Bush and America. Traditional Christianity is a much more potent force in America than in Europe, and the European elites fear and detest that fact. Their hatred of Christianity and its historical sins - most of which occurred in a world of long ago - blinds them to the PRESENT threat of radical Islam.
11 posted on 02/27/2003 7:02:26 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: MadIvan
There are several things you don't like about this article, but there is one thing in particular that I like a great deal:

Like a vast silver eagle, the USAF military transport plane swooped over the city of Frankfurt, past the fairytale towers of the banks glittering in the sun, bound for the Gulf. My German companion muttered imprecations under her breath. "We are afraid of them now," she said. She did not mean al-Qa'eda, let alone Saddam Hussein. She meant the Americans. "Bush and Rumsfeld mention us in the same breath as Libya and Cuba. Is this how it begins?"

Be afraid. Be very, very, afraid.

12 posted on 02/27/2003 7:14:28 PM PST by JavaTheHutt
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To: MadIvan
Good post bump
13 posted on 02/27/2003 7:20:09 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: MadIvan
Bravo Ivan,

This American will stand up and be counted with you.

Rick
14 posted on 02/27/2003 9:18:36 PM PST by Borderline
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To: MadIvan
Kagan sums up his analysis in an even more startling phrase: "Americans are from Mars and Europeans are from Venus." The implication that Americans are martial and virile, while Europeans are effeminate, has already earned its author a rebuke from Timothy Garton Ash, who warns in Prospect magazine: "The real danger now is that vulgar Kaganism will become popular on both sides of the Atlantic because people either believe Kagan's 'dual caricature' or - and I think this is happening - are looking for ways to emphasise the gulf."

Mr. Ash.

*sigh*

You are a serious scholar, aren't you? Why is it so hard for you to understand that Robert Kagan is your friend?

I cannot think of anyone who is kinder and more understanding to Europeans than Kagan.

If you happen to stumble into this "right-wing American forum", you should click on this FreeRepublic thread: Old And In The Way (Decline and Fall of Europe)".

I suspect that by now, many Americans are closer to Mr. Zinsmeister's view than to Mr. Kagan's. More's the pity. I am very unhappy about this widening gulf between the United States and Europe. But you, Mr. Ash, and your conceited, vain belief in the European way of "strength from weakness" are a chief culprit in this development.

15 posted on 02/27/2003 10:07:14 PM PST by tictoc
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To: MadIvan
but what Kagan fails to say is that the Continental approach is a failure and bound to lead to disaster each and every time it is tried.
Oh I Don't know it's worked plenty of times and except for
The Anglo-Dutch Wars
Thirty Years War
The Great Northern War 1700-1721
Scanian War 1675-1679
Second Northern War 1655-1660
Seven Years War
The Camisards War
Napoleonic Wars
Franco-Purssian War
WWI
WWII......

Other than these few...misunderstandings why it's been almost a millennial kingdom.

16 posted on 02/27/2003 11:01:51 PM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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