Scouts unbowed by Berkeley bullies

Orange County Times ^ | Feb. 28, 2003 | Harold Johnson

[RonF]

According to Gallup, more than three-quarters of the American population feel that gays should not suffer employment discrimination.

Not sure what context this came up in, so maybe I'm off the mark here, but let me point out that Scoutmasters, etc., are not employees, they are unpaid volunteers and are thus not covered under anti-discrimination laws that cover employment.

[RonF]

Unlike being drunk in public, being a gay person in public is not a crime.

Being drunk in public isn't a crime. Nor is being an alcoholic. Exhibiting the kinds of behavior that alcoholics and drunks often do while under the influence (puke, stumble around and insult people, start fighs etc.) is, however. Tell you what. Being an alcoholic will get you tossed out of the BSA quicker than being gay.

[RAT Patrol]

You can draw a BIG FAT LINE here, madg. Your gay agenda stops with the kiddies. You worry about YOU. Leave the children alone.

[Non-Sequitur]

Hey...watch it!

[RAT Patrol]

It very much follows the premise, madg. Gays can't produce children and they should BUTT OUT (no pun intended) of issues dealing with children. The non sequitur is your implication that this has anything to do with gay rights. This is about parental rights. Gays acting as gays can't be parents. Worry yourself with jobs, housing, health....whatever...but CHILDREN are none of your business.

And how DARE any government discriminate against parents who want good, moral examples to lead their children in scouts.

[justshutupandtakeit]

That was a long list of malarky you posted filled with many illogical and deceptive statements. Most of which are irrelevent to the argument here and mere prohomo crap.

For example: Scouts never allowed All boys into it. Only those subscribing to its beliefs.

Municipal policies ARE government policies. Did it take you long to get this confused or were you born that way?

Any policy which is required for membership is a DISCRIMINATORY policy. But the point of this policy is to foster morality ergo no queers or atheists.

How many fees of $7 does $500 a month cover? Since you are a liberal I will have to tell you the answer. 71 and change. That was a particularly dumb comment meant to call the Scout leader a liar.

The discriminatory policy of the marina will eventually be overthrown by a court which actually understands law. This means a non-california court obviously.

Patriotism and the willingness to serve our country is only irrelevent to the depraved scum and its allies who have joined forces to try and destroy those not utterly Godless and anti-American. We see which side you are on. You would apparently prefer that should a Pearl Harbor happen again (and it did 9/11) your allies could use the Sea Scouts to agitate against America rather than fight FOR it.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Gay activists in Berkeley probably represent the Right Wing there. They may be the sanest people in that collection of nuts and fruits.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I suppose that every church in Berkeley has to renounce God since it would be "discriminatory" to do otherwise? And synagogues have to allow Al Queda members access? The NAACP must allow KKK members? Cats mix with Dogs.

[justshutupandtakeit]

The New Jersey Supreme Court. ROTFLMAO.

[Non-Sequitur]

And how DARE any government discriminate against parents who want good, moral examples to lead their children in scouts.

Do you honestly think that if James Dale had been living with a girl that he would have been drummed out of the Boy Scouts? All too often the definition of 'morality' depends on what suits the agenda of the person passing judgement.

[justshutupandtakeit]

It is still open to "All boys" who live up to its code of conduct. And believe in God. That has not changed. This is not about boys allowed to join but the right to keep the homos away from them. Does the Bizzaro City Council have the right to tell them that atheists can't be excluded as members?

It was you who tried to distinguish between municipal policies and government policies. Not me.

Municipalities are not allowed to discriminate based on religious belief as Bizarro does in this case.

You can argue with the guy who pays their dues not me. You just tried to make him out to be a liar and were called on it.

The marina has a discriminatory pricing policy based on religious conviction. It will be overturned.

These concepts are not unrelated though you may try and pretend they are. Those opposed to the BSA are the same dimbulbs opposed to the war against Saddam, hate the military, hate Bush,hate capitalism, hate America. Those for the BSA are the same as the patriots who want to kick Saddam out, fight our enemies (foreign and domestic), hate Clinton and love America. It really isn't hard to comprehend.

Those attacking the BSA booed them at the DemocRATic Convention probably some of the very same people. They would boo the flag and spit on the military just as happily.

[RAT Patrol]

Can they discriminate against pornographers, felons, alcoholics, polygamists, prostitutes, profanity users, liars, cheaters, etc...... and still gain a berth? Of course they can. IT IS BEHAVIOR DISCRIMINATION and any and all good parents must do it all the time!!!!!

Civil societies have always discriminated between right and wrong, good and bad, sexual behavior too.

The idea that the city claims behavior discrimination is equal to race or ethnic discrimination is what's unconstitutional. LIFE is all about behavior discrimination. Especially life involving kids. It starts from the beginning: Brush your teeth; eat right; be polite; don't hit your sister; buckle your seatbelt; etc..... Denying SS a berth is NOT equal treatment. It is not about gay rights/discrimination. It is about parental rights and it's the city that is violating the constitution.

[RAT Patrol]

Do you honestly think that if James Dale had been living with a girl that he would have been drummed out of the Boy Scouts?

If he were an avowed fornicator, you bet! See, heterosexuals have the good taste to understand that immorality is not something to flaunt in front of children. Those who don't have no business being leaders to children anywhere.