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POPE TO SEND ENVOY TO US
Sky News ^ | 10:54 UK, Saturday March 01, 2003 | sky news

Posted on 03/01/2003 3:11:18 AM PST by colette_g

POPE TO SEND ENVOY TO US

Pope John Paul will send a senior cardinal to Washington on a personal peace mission to try to avert a war in Iraq, the Vatican has said.

Cardinal Pio Laghi, for many years the Vatican's ambassador to the United States, will leave in the next few days, and will deliver a letter from the Pope to US President George W. Bush.

Last month the 82-year-old Pontiff sent a special envoy to Baghdad to try to persuade Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to co-operate with United Nations weapons inspectors.

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1 posted on 03/01/2003 3:11:18 AM PST by colette_g
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To: colette_g
Who cares?
2 posted on 03/01/2003 3:20:10 AM PST by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: VaBthang4
I think its a definite indicator of how close action is.
3 posted on 03/01/2003 3:21:39 AM PST by colette_g
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To: VaBthang4
And how many Divisions does the Pope command?

If he was a true Catholic, he would deploy them against militant Islam!

4 posted on 03/01/2003 3:23:21 AM PST by NetValue (Saddam is a threat to the future of the world as we know it.)
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To: colette_g
"I think its a definite indicator of how close action is."

ROTFLOL

5 posted on 03/01/2003 3:28:11 AM PST by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: colette_g
Just ribbin ya a bit. Seriously though...what the Pope does or doesnt do has zero impact on the War or it's timetable. Just more PC, Effeminate N"Euro"tic twaddling by wannabe{important}s.
6 posted on 03/01/2003 3:30:31 AM PST by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: colette_g
Vatican has no fax machines? Besides, as we know from the Word of God, this President needs no mediator between him and God, except Christ Jesus.
7 posted on 03/01/2003 3:34:38 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: VaBthang4
No offense taken :-) It's all gonna happen soon - won't be soon enough for me
8 posted on 03/01/2003 3:37:58 AM PST by colette_g
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To: colette_g
Just wondering...does the Vatican have a seat on the U.N. Security Council??
9 posted on 03/01/2003 3:44:31 AM PST by wunderkind54
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To: colette_g
Just goes to show that we don't all agree with the Pope.

I am very familiar with his physical disability but one has to wonder with his age and suffering what his mental agility is.

My God he can barely hold up his head to make eye contact. God Bless him if he is has no mental deficits.

The last time I saw him on Tv he had a mini float type of device for mobility. Just seeing him on tv not having interaction it comes across as a symbol being paraded around.

Sorry to say being Catholic I am not clear on the guidelines for a Pope to continue to lead the Church.
11 posted on 03/01/2003 4:09:06 AM PST by oceanperch (Support Our Troops)
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To: colette_g
I was really impressed with what Rumsfield said to the press today about how "the press" seems to try and "report the news before it happens".
He said he refused to play that game.

So true.
12 posted on 03/01/2003 4:12:12 AM PST by oceanperch (Support Our Troops)
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To: colette_g
Oye vey!
13 posted on 03/01/2003 4:14:04 AM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: colette_g; oceanperch
It would be nice if the Pope would come out and support freedom, democracy and, even once in a while, Christians.

He called Spanish Pres. Aznar in last week to give him a lecture on "following international law." Clearly, he meant that Aznar, Blair and Bush were not doing so. And Saddam is?

I'm a Catholic, too, and this stuff just makes me sick.

14 posted on 03/01/2003 4:18:14 AM PST by livius
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To: colette_g
I think there is little doubt the Pope is trying to follow Bill Krinton's example by using Iraw to "wag the dog" in an effort to keep attention off his own church's pedophilegate. I'm sick of these self-proclaimed "men of peace" who have given us so much war.
15 posted on 03/01/2003 4:21:51 AM PST by Cautor
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To: livius
It would be nice if the Pope would come out and support freedom, democracy and, even once in a while, Christians.

LOL...well said!

16 posted on 03/01/2003 4:22:42 AM PST by Smile-n-Win (don't hesitate-n-lose)
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To: Cachelot
Christianity as a force to counter the evils of Islam, has been undermined by the homosexuality of the Catholic clergy and the ensuing scandals. It happened during this Pope's tenure. He used to be called "the good shepherd" and "the keeper of the flock".....but I won't make any "sheep" jokes. Its too sad. This pope has little moral standing.
17 posted on 03/01/2003 4:23:28 AM PST by NetValue (Saddam is a threat to the future of the world as we know it.)
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To: oceanperch
I was beginning to wonder if my husband and I were the only Catholics who were concerned over the Pope's mental acuity. I agree with you that he doesn't seem to really "be here", so to speak. I remember hearing about the protocol for a Pope stepping down if he is unable to function in office, but it was way back when I was in college and I wasn't listening very carefully. Does anyone here have a fresh perspective on this issue?

I get the feeling that modern Popes are under some sort of edict to preach peace and send envoys-they have done it in every conflict that I can remember, starting with Viet Nam.

18 posted on 03/01/2003 4:25:40 AM PST by Texan5
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To: Texan5
How about sending someone to address your molesters in Church
19 posted on 03/01/2003 4:28:56 AM PST by scooby321
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To: oceanperch
I think it's very dangerous to assume a person is deteriorating mentally just because he is no longer able to physically move properly.

As for a Papal "resignation" there are precedents.

20 posted on 03/01/2003 4:36:45 AM PST by Int
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To: colette_g
Has the Pope or the Church ever supported any war?
21 posted on 03/01/2003 4:42:35 AM PST by Momaw Nadon (The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open.)
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To: Momaw Nadon
The Crusades come to mind - http://www.medievalcrusades.com/crusadesbegin.htm
22 posted on 03/01/2003 4:47:32 AM PST by colette_g
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To: colette_g
personal peace mission

I would prefer the Pope sent an envoy here to scout the gay bars looking for wayward priests. :-(
23 posted on 03/01/2003 4:47:35 AM PST by cgbg
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To: colette_g
Speaking as one who has promised to raise our children Catholic, Papa should clean house first if he expects any credibility.

My wife and I agreed there's no way we'll even consider subsidzing the Catholic Church before they take the proper stance on perversion in their church and among their preists.

The silence is such matters dismays us to no end. I cannot state enough how saddened I am at the lack of action to resolve this issue. The Catholics in my family and among my friends are simply the best people I know. Fortunately my regards for the church do not impact my view of Catholicism as a whole. It simply confirms that Catholicism really isn't the Church, it's the people, and if the Catholic Church did not exist, Catholics would still be among the greatest of the faithful.

I think the Church would shudder in fear if they realized how irrelevant they are making themselves.

Then again, the interesting question I've heard recently was "When Jesus drops by, would he recognize Christians or Christian Churches?"

My thought is that he would certainly know those who know him. Christianity being an irrelevant label at that time, serving only to identify ourselves among the lost.

In The Gospel of St. Thomas, it recounts Christ as saying, "Split open a piece of wood, and I am there; lift up a rock and I am there". One can make many assumptions of this controversial gospel, but I like to interpret it as the fact that there is no particular Church which is representative of Christianity. Jesus resides in all of us and is omnipresent. Church is dandy for socializing and gathering with other of faith, but Jesus build his church within us and we take it whereever we go.

Pretty dangerous thoughts for the Catholic Church. No wonder this is such a controversial Gospel.

Donning flame suit...

24 posted on 03/01/2003 4:49:57 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: scooby321
I am sure that you realize that Catholics in general are furious with the Church fathers for sweeping this under the carpet. Even so, we are hardly the first and only denomination to have sexual skeletons in our closet-Jim Baker and Jesse Jackson come to mind.... I take it you do not like Catholics? You appear to be condemning all of us with your remark.
25 posted on 03/01/2003 4:52:10 AM PST by Texan5
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To: Caipirabob
Church is dandy for socializing and gathering with other of faith, but Jesus build his church within us and we take it whereever we go.

I can't remember it exactly, but isn't a classic Jesus quote describing a church as "where 2 or more are gathered in my name", which I take as meaning that denominations, physical church buildings etc. are irrelevant.

Donning flame suit...

Surely none necessary :-)

26 posted on 03/01/2003 4:55:13 AM PST by colette_g
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To: Caipirabob
Whoa...

This is my second way-to-serious post within 12 hours.

NOOOOOOObody expects the FREEPERS! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to JimRob (or RushLimbaugh).... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

27 posted on 03/01/2003 4:55:28 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Int
Thanks I will read the link you provided.

You have mail.
28 posted on 03/01/2003 4:57:44 AM PST by oceanperch (Support Our Troops)
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To: Caipirabob
I have harbored those "dangerous thoughts" for many years-ever since I took some classes on Comparative Religion taught by a Jesuit priest at the Catholic college I attended.
29 posted on 03/01/2003 4:57:50 AM PST by Texan5
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To: Int
Thank you very much for the link.
30 posted on 03/01/2003 5:00:42 AM PST by Texan5
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To: Texan5
Does the Vatican really want U.S. citizens to be sitting ducks for Saddam Insane's future nukes? Apparently so. Will the Vatican also rush to save Kim Jong Il? Is there a dictator whom the Vatican does not want to protect from American power?
31 posted on 03/01/2003 5:29:42 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: Texan5
I can relate to your above #29...Big Time!

My 'old time' RC religious indoctrination taught this, but not now,: Jesus came to take away one's sin..."not their minds".

To think , and not question,...defies the thought we share as being thinking folks.

Now,we have the Pope stating our war against Saddam is wrong.

Sorry, Pope...I've visited St. Peter's several times...if you're real....sell the gold, give it back to those who gave it against their will.

Mustang sends w/Best FReegards...(once an altar boy, many moons ago, who learned the Mass in Latin)...
32 posted on 03/01/2003 5:59:58 AM PST by Mustang (Evil Thrives When Good People Do Nothing!)
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To: colette_g
Nice try, pontiff. Won't work.
33 posted on 03/01/2003 6:02:16 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Cardinal Pio Laghi, in his 80's is a career diplomat to say the least. He most likely is bringing info too delicate to fax...remember the Church has channels for info deep inside Iraq.
34 posted on 03/01/2003 6:19:41 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: NetValue
The real value in this envoy is the info he brings. There is much more beneath the surface of this visit. The Vatican is the center of a covert communications system cloaked in doctrinal words that has saved lives in many other wars. The fact that the envoy comes here last speaks volumes.
35 posted on 03/01/2003 6:26:47 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: colette_g
In Europe they took the side of the anti -communist and in South America took the side of the communists. And they did it at the same time.

Now they take the side of brutal repressive socialist regimes. Go figure.

36 posted on 03/01/2003 6:33:32 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Sometimes "peace" is another word for surrender.)
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To: colette_g
Why isn't the Pope interested in having freedom for the Iraqi people? I heard there are many, many Christians there.
He must have missed those verses about setting the captives free.

With all the problems in his own church, you'd think he could try and solve those first.
37 posted on 03/01/2003 6:42:24 AM PST by Iowegian (Doesn't know how to mind his own business either)
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To: colette_g
As much as I respect the Pope, I just wish he would shut the hell up about making peace with evil.
38 posted on 03/01/2003 6:50:21 AM PST by ohioman
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To: colette_g
Instead of trying to influence the White House the Catholic church would be better served if Il Papa sent his envoy to every seminary and parish in America to oust the homosexual predatory priests.
39 posted on 03/01/2003 6:53:03 AM PST by O6ret
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To: Cachelot
400.000 Catholic priests at last count. Who may be as much of a fifth column as the islamists.

A galactically stupid remark.

40 posted on 03/01/2003 6:53:27 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
A galactically stupid remark.

Much like the remarks coming from the Vatican.

41 posted on 03/01/2003 6:56:16 AM PST by Iowegian (Now those are really galactically stupid)
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To: wunderkind54
Hand the envoy a tax bill to take back home. If Il Papa wants to break down those 'separation' barriers, fine then.
42 posted on 03/01/2003 6:56:20 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: Caipirabob
One can make many assumptions of this controversial gospel,

One thing one can say about the gospel of St. Thomas for certain is that it is a fraud and is not inspired by God.

43 posted on 03/01/2003 6:56:40 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: Domestic Church
Cardinal Pio Laghi, in his 80's is a career diplomat to say the least. He most likely is bringing info too delicate to fax...remember the Church has channels for info deep inside Iraq.

If the "info" is so critical, why is the Pope waiting until now to send it?

There is no "info" that JPII has that we don't have, unless it is a personal pledge from Saddam Hussein to go into exile on March 3.

This is a high-profile attempt to dissuade Bush from going to war. It's not going to work, but it keeps the Pope's name in the papers as an advocate of "peace."

44 posted on 03/01/2003 7:01:36 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I can't honestly debate it as being a fraud or not. It wouldn't change my opinion, though.

What basis do you have to say it's a fraud? I'd like to know more either way, and I'm not asking as a matter of dispute. I'm completely open-minded on your point so if you can give me a link or something I'll read up. - Thanks

45 posted on 03/01/2003 7:01:51 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: colette_g
The only thing I want to hear from the enjoy is an apology, in the Pope's name, for the damage done to so many American children by monster priests and that action is being taken to ensure it never happens again.

I'm not betting the ranch that will happen.

46 posted on 03/01/2003 7:02:01 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Caipirabob
What basis do you have to say it's a fraud?

Since the Church does not include it as an inspired part of Scripture, I'd say that's prima facie evidence right there.

In The Gospel of St. Thomas, it recounts Christ as saying, "Split open a piece of wood, and I am there; lift up a rock and I am there".

This is pantheism, not monotheism.

47 posted on 03/01/2003 7:06:38 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: oceanperch
Right, you are judging entirely by appearances
48 posted on 03/01/2003 7:15:37 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: sinkspur
"high-profile attempt to dissuade Bush from going to war"

I disagree. This stance deflects scrutiny from Saddam and has to be a cover to keep the Vatican info net open in Iraq and perhaps has to do with getting civilians out of the cities. I expect church facilities to be used as they have been in the past. The Pope has to see the similarities between Saddam and Stalin. I think he understands but cannot lean in our direction until the last minute. Also I think the choice of Laghi might have some tie in with the other two hot spots, Venezuela and N.Korea. The media info we get is just the smoke screen on this.
49 posted on 03/01/2003 7:19:25 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Int
Leo XIII, a great pope who lived past 90 in the last century, was very feeble in his last years but died still in office. Popes are not CEOs; to expect one to resign is like expecting your grandfather to resign just because he gets old.
50 posted on 03/01/2003 7:20:41 AM PST by RobbyS
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