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Pope John Paul II may ask to personally address UN Security Council to stop Iraq war
AFP via Babelfish translation ^ | March 3, 2003

Posted on 03/03/2003 2:46:58 AM PST by HAL9000

The pope wants to go in front of UNO if its message with Bush does not stop the war

Jean Paul II will ask to address personally to the Security Council of the United Nations if its message with the American president George W Bush does not convince it to give up a war against Iraq, learned Monday the AFP from diplomatic source vaticane.L' possibility of a direct address of the pope in the United Nations was evoked during the maintenance of the pope with the secretary-general of UNO, Kofi Annan, there are two weeks in the Vatican, one added of the same source.Le cardinal Pio Laghi left Rome Monday morning for Washington carrying a message of peace as it must give to the American president. The cardinal, old apostolic nuncio (ambassador) in Washington and friend of the Bush family, hopes to be received mercredi.Une delegation of American religious leaders forwarded last week to Jean Paul II a letter wishing that the head of the catholic Church go to ONU."Il is allocated only to the pope himself to make such a decision ", commented on Sunday on a chain of television the archbishop Renato Martino, old observant of the Holy See at the United Nations and current president of the pontifical Council for justice and the peace, which had been charged to transmit to the missive.Si the pope, had tired and old of almost 82 years, had he could benefit from it to go to request in Ground Zero, affirms one diplomatic source vaticane.Ce gesture would be very appreciated by all the Americans, adds one. He had been considered last August at the time of the voyage of the pope in Canada for the world Days of Jeunesse.Dans diplomatic circles of the Holy See, one estimates that the parallel actions and concommitantes of the pope on the two protagonists of the crisis, Iraq and the United States, represent a significant chance so that a war is evité.Le Iraqi president Saddam Hussein should take account of the risk to be relatively insulated in the Arab world if he made the deaf person ear with a call to order of the Arab League, even observes one of the same source.De, underlines one, president Bush, of methodist confession, should not receive from one who asked nearly a billion and half of Christians of the whole world to fast for peace Wednesday. This fast is also preached by the World Council of Churches of Geneva where Protestant Eglises and orthodoxes.En sit reiterating Sunday its call to all the Christians, the pope confirmed his determination with all to try for the paix."Sans to go in front of the difficulties, it is necessary to look for and traverse all the possible ways to avoid the war, which always brings with it serious mournings and consequences for everyone ", he launched to the thousands of brought together pilgrims Saint-Pierre place under the eye of the cameras of télévision.Le cardinal Laghi will make any possible sound to convince president Bush that a unilateral attack except UNO against Iraq is a "crime against peace", Foreign Minister of the pope, Mgr Jean Louis Tauran.



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KEYWORDS: catholiclist; iraq; johnpaulii; pope; saddamhussein; securitycouncil
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me; *Catholic_list
BULLHORKEY!!!!!!! Maybe he got shot for hidding pedophile priests (didja ever think of that?). I don't take the pathetic pope's word for ANYTHING anymore. The pope stopped communism the way greasy food stops heart disease.

Cleanup on aisle six.

101 posted on 03/03/2003 7:25:20 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: patriciaruth
... It's the Pope's job is to tell everyone to let their enemies slap them on the cheek and take their clothes and smile, but it isn't the American way....

Yes the ancient Catholic teaching of slap-happy nudism has always been a sticking point for Puritan America...

102 posted on 03/03/2003 7:30:22 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
How sickening and degrading it must be for you that Israel depends wholly upon the good will and money of these malign forces.

Rotfl. Why don't you go scratch your itch with somebody who might care, like the LibertyForum crowd, madam?

Me, I'm just happy Israel has the fifth largest nuclear arsenal in the world and is perfectly capable of eradicating terrorists, despots, eurosnots and collected evil dross completely independently of your "good will" (whatever that might be ;).

103 posted on 03/03/2003 7:37:01 AM PST by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
The sight of the Pope kissing the Koran is the most disturbing thing I can witness. Reminds me of that infamous Pope that sacrificed to the alter of Caesar.
104 posted on 03/03/2003 7:37:26 AM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: ScholarWarrior
"... THe Pope should keep his mouth shut. It he goes to see Bush, I would make him stand in the snow barefoot for three days...."

I think the Pope should go as THE Human Shield in Iraq. He failed to protect the Serbs against ClintoNATO. He has, for reasons unkown to me, abandoned the AMChurch to the little foxes---perhaps a good thing in the long run, but painful to live through nontheless.

In preventing the US from carrying out its Wilsonian suicide dreams in the middle east he could actually save the US from the fate of Europe in the 20th century.

Although at this point in history we are sprinting madly towards destruction--embracing it like a long-awaited lover...

105 posted on 03/03/2003 7:44:23 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: valkyrieanne
"Looking over your list, one thing puzzles me. You list many framers of the US Constitution identified as "Episcopalian (Calvinist)," but neither the Church of England nor the American Episcopal Church are particularly Calvinist in doctrine."

That wasn't true in the past. The few Episcopalian congregations that adhere to their historic doctrine are still Reformed in the United States.

For details, read on:

"...In England, Calvinism also prevailed since it was the theology behind the Thirty-Nine Articles (1563) of the Church of England" (Paul Enns, *Moody Handbook of Theology*. Chicago: Moody Press, 1989), p. 476.

The Episcopalians held as their subordinate standards the 39 Articles of Religion. This confession is Calvinistic in emphasis.

During that historic period, not only the 39 Articles of Religion ("Episcopalians"), but whenever you read of the Waldensians, the Bohemian Brethren (in Poland), the Huguenots, you're reading of churches that were Calvinistic.

Historic Protestant, Episcopalian doctrine is Reformed and Calvinistic. The Episcopalian church *that adheres to its historic doctrine* is still Reformed in the United States.

X. OF FREE WILL. 39 Articles of Religion.

The condition of Man after the fall of Adam is such, that he cannot turn and prepare himself, by his own natural strength and good works, to faith, and calling upon God. Wherefore we have no power to do good works pleasant and acceptable to God, without the grace of God by Christ preventing us, that we may have a good will, and working with us, when we have that good will.

XVII. OF PREDESTINATION AND ELECTION:

Predestination to Life is the everlasting purpose of God, whereby (before the foundations of the world were laid) he hath constantly decreed by his counsel secret to us, to deliver from curse and damnation those whom he hath chosen in Christ out of mankind, and to bring them by Christ to everlasting salvation, as vessels made to honour. Wherefore, they which be endued with so excellent a benefit of God, be called according to God's purpose by his Spirit working in due season: they through Grace obey the calling: they be justified freely: they be made sons of God by adoption: they be made like the image of his only-begotten Son Jesus Christ: they walk religiously in good works, and at length, by God's mercy, they attain to everlasting felicity.

106 posted on 03/03/2003 7:48:21 AM PST by Matchett-PI (The ball is in Saddam's court. The decision is his. It will be a shame if he chooses war.)
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To: Destro
"...The sight of the Pope kissing the Koran is the most disturbing thing I can witness..."

And it coincided almost to the day with the news that two Orthodox nuns were raped in Kosovo by "freedom fighters" as NATO "liberators" stood around scratching their butts. The emotions are too deep for words...

107 posted on 03/03/2003 7:50:20 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: ThomasMore
" Could they be manipulating him?"

This is an unfortunate possibility but don't you think Ratzinger and the JPII are up to counter manipulation? We won't know until some of the smoke clears but I am hoping and praying it is just a deflection and a cloak and that it allows some to get out of Saddam's clutches. If this can save one life it is worth it. We know this is a just war, any Catholic worth his salt knows it.
108 posted on 03/03/2003 7:50:54 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG..)
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To: Petronski
"Cleanup on aisle six."

Is that your best reply? Come on!!! Put some effort into it.

109 posted on 03/03/2003 7:54:34 AM PST by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: HAL9000
Will the UN provide some young boys for him and his entourage?
110 posted on 03/03/2003 8:00:27 AM PST by TexanAmerican
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To: HAL9000
The Pope is now so utterly without credibility it is indeed depressing. What a fantastic Cold Warrior he was, side-by-side with Ronald Reagan. But what an utter disappointment to see him embrace Islam as a "great religion of peace", while blinding his eyes to the mass-murder of Christians by Muslims in Asia and Africa.

Why this conflict? Why now? Very disappointing indeed.

113 posted on 03/03/2003 8:10:19 AM PST by montag813
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To: KickRightRudder
I agree...Bush has allowed this fiasco to get out of control. If the Pope speaks to the UN it will only add fuel to the fire of this political/diplomatic disaster and will further erode the little support that still exists. The hour is late and getting later...
114 posted on 03/03/2003 8:10:43 AM PST by ConservativeConvert
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
Maybe he got shot for hidding pedophile priests (didja ever think of that)?

Ludicrous and beneath contempt. I ping others who might want to stomp your position further, but like myself, I doubt anyone will conclude it is worth the time.

115 posted on 03/03/2003 8:12:42 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: KickRightRudder
Bush deserves this embarrassing specticle if he doesn't end this soap opera now.

Correct! Invade before the Papist King speaks!

116 posted on 03/03/2003 8:14:18 AM PST by montag813
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To: ConservativeConvert
"Bush has allowed this fiasco to get out of control",

Interesting take, however, looks differently in light of exposing who is who and where they are. Looks more like separating the "wheat from the chaff" and you know how easily the wind blows chaff.

Fret not these things need be.
117 posted on 03/03/2003 8:18:10 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
I wish the Pope was this passionate about defending Christians living in the Middle East. He has not said boo to help us. I'm sure the Christian minority that lives in Iraq is thrilled with the Pope's helping of their tormentor Saddam Hussein.
118 posted on 03/03/2003 8:22:11 AM PST by winner3000
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To: patriciaruth
I agree with you 100%. I am as Catholic as they come...well maybe not as Catholic as I could be...but still...the Pope needs to pray for a quick ending to the war and just stay out of the limelight on this one. Let him go to North Korea if he feels like stopping a war.
120 posted on 03/03/2003 8:28:34 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (Which one will lose? Depends on what I choose or maybe which voice...I ignore.)
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