LIVE THREAD: Estrada Filibuster

http://freerepublic.com ^ | March 3, 2003

[Iwo Jima]

We are in accord. Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! No Prisoners! [sound of de guiello (sp?)]

[San Jacinto]

reading his Magic 8-ball ?

I have not heard Frist say it will be a cloture petition tomorrow, but a couple of things make me think it will happen. I will wager that the reporter in this case had more than the 8-ball to go on. I predict the petition will be filed tomorrow.

[woodyinscc]

It is going to be an interesting next two weeks.

The R's are going to fight his filibuster right
up to the war. They will have on record the rats
who are against this more then qualified
nominee.

I think they allowed morn business to continue
because they are about to slam the PBA bill
in their face, and do not want to be seen as unfair!

[Iwo Jima]

Speaking of the New Jersey dinosaur, I call dibs on Frank Lautenberg as the first casualty of a true filibuster.

[EllaMinnow]

Your tagline is priceless!

[TLBSHOW]

We shall see. I hope the way they have planned it works. The Constitution is at stake.

[CathyRyan]

Fat Tedddy will be a close second.

[CathyRyan]

Tedddy = Teddy

[maica]

Sorry, my brain does not recall for sure. I am almost positive that it was Frist I saw at a microphone.
When they adjourned last week - he said that calling for the vote for cloture on Tuesday was a step he was reluctant to take but might have to do.

[justshe]

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[Cboldt]

My 37 year old son is still laughing but like the polite gentleman he is, he sent a note of Congatulations "with a question mark".

He's wondering if his mailbox will now fill with attachments!
Congratulations, BTW.

P.S. My sense is the same as yours, no cloture motion tomorrow. But, if it does happen, it will surprise the DEMs, because the GOP has not telegraphed any such intention, nevermind timing.

[San Jacinto]

It's spelled DeGuello. And for inspiration sake, here is Travis' letter:

Commandancy of the Alamo~
Bexar, Feb. 24th 1836~
To the people of Texas and all Americans in the world~

Fellow citizens and compatriots~
I am besieged by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna~ I have sustained a continual bombardment and cannonade for 24 hours and have not lost a man~ The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken~
I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, and our flag still waves proudly from the walls~ I shall never surrender or retreat.

Then I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism and everything dear to the American Character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch~ The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily and will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible and die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his honor and that of his country~
Victory or Death
William Barret Travis

....I believe the cloture vote will be on Thursday, March 6.

Does March 6th ring a bell with any of my "Fellow Citizens and Compatriots" out there?

[Cboldt]

Good memeory. He might have said that. I know the GOP is reluctant to file a cloture motion, and I respect and understand the reluctance. I also sense, as you intimated, that the GOP is willing to go that route, if pressed. My sense is that the GOP is trying to force a vote with behind the scenes activity between Senators, and overt activity in the form of advertisments, letters from President Bush, etc. Also, winning points as the DEMs make total boobs of themselves (heheheh - he said "boobs").

My bottom line guess, cloture motion no sooner than Thursday noon, just before weekend recess.

[deport]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/855905/posts?

FYI.... a little info on a demostration over in the Bayou City Wednesday against Brown & Root....

[VRWC_minion]

Surrender is the final act, and in Estrada's case, is signaled when the GOP pulls the matter off the floor, but not before

Unless they go 24/7 after the a failing cloture vote they will be pulling from the floor.

[A Citizen Reporter]

And thus the reason for Kay Bailey Hutchinson's speech today! Now I've got to go back and find that part in the thread.

[Iwo Jima]

I fully understand what you are saying about not backing down. None other than Bill Clinton has much to teach us about the importance of not giving up.

The problem that FOX News, Rush, and countless others have to overcome is that they all accept what I call the "and then you quit" philosophy. Such as, if you finish third in the New Hampshire primaries, then you quit. Bill Clinton said "No way, I'm not quitting, I don't care if I came in #121 after the county dog catcher." Or the rule that if you get caught in seemy extra-marital relationships, then just like Gary Hart, you quit. But Bill Clinton said "I'm not quitting, I don't care how many adulteries, rapes, etc. I stand creditably accused of, I AM NOT QUITTING. Even after being impeached under circumstances when no one could be expected to do anything other than quit, BC made it clear that come what may, HE WOULD NEVER QUIT.

Rush and FOX seem to have assumed that, if you lose a cloture vote, well then of course, YOU QUIT. Therefore, if you call for a cloture vote that you are bound to lose, then you are CAVING IN. That's absurd. A failure to achieve cloture only means that you continue to fight. You continue to shellack the opposition in every way so that, even if you find yourself losing at some future point on the nomination, you so damage the opposition that they may will think that any more "victories" like this will cost them the "war."

[Cboldt]

Time will tell how this plays out.
I believe the spectrum of options is a bit more varied than that (after failed cloture, either 24/7 sessions (on what subjects?) or pull the nomination).

[LisaFab]

Where did you learn all those fight terms? LOL

They are most helpful in visualizing the demise of the Dems, no?

[LisaFab]

Democrats are like elementary school bullies: they seemed invincible and tough when Republicans were frightened nerds who wouldn't face them, but now that the GOP is getting back in their faces I think they'll fold, like most bullies do. They're cowards inside...

Wavy, you hit it out of the park on your first day here. Congrats and welcome.