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To: BlueOneGolf; dr_lew
BlueOneGolf said: Whoa, easy on the conspiracy theories.

dr_lew said: Hey, if it's anything, it's Fascist. Try to keep things straight.,p> Anyway, you're making an error so common that it's part of the air now. You don't like the pledge, so therefore it's unconstitutional....

What I said was: No true American should support this tool of socialist propaganda and programming.

...and I posted three links that talk about the history of the pledge, and those who developed and promoted it, and there intention in doing so. I suggested no "conspiracy," I only pointed out some history.

Since the promoters were socialists, and their agends is and was socialist, fascist is not the right term.

I said nothing about whether I personally like or dislike the pledge (I recited it every day for 12 years, up to about 40 years ago), and certainly never said it was "unconstitutional." I am not responsible for what the other links say.

Personally, I don't care if anyone does or does not recite the pledge or any other empty ritual. I am opposed to state mandated rituals, however, especially for children.

I also believe the concepts of the pledge subtly undermine the concepts on which our Constituional liberties are based and help train American children to slaivhly repeat whatever their government tells them to repeat.

If you insist on having children recite something, make it something useful, like the first two amendments to the Constitution:

Article [I.]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Article [II.]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Hank

10 posted on 03/04/2003 7:47:27 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
No thanks, I prefer to affirm that rights are granted by the creator, not the state. One Nation, under God speaks volumes to those who'll hear it.
11 posted on 03/04/2003 7:50:37 AM PST by jwalsh07
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